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20 Jun 2004, 20:45 (Ref:1010019)
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Montoya exclusion. Why after 50+ laps????
My Montoya
The guy risks his a*se around a racetrack for 50+ something laps and then, ONLY THEN, do they decide it is wrong he is in the race. Were the stewards of the meeting in McDonalds for that time just putting on a bit more weight??? What would they be feeling - apart from not hungry anymore - if it was Montoya in the wall, and now hospital with back pains, hey? have I missed something?? |
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20 Jun 2004, 20:49 (Ref:1010028)
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The driver (Montoya) joined the race after the start in a spare car in circumstances where the driver had not left the grid within 15 seconds of the start," an FIA statement said.
Regulation says that: ''No change of car is permitted after the start of the race and, any driver wishing to change car, must have got out of his orignial car and left the grid before the 15 second signal which immediately precedes the start. A change of car will be deemed to have taken place once a driver is seated in his new car and such a change may only take place in the pit lane or the team's designated garage area. '' i don't know . it could have been an error of the stewards, or maybe someone passed a good word . about it . maybe another team . who knows Last edited by Dani Filth; 20 Jun 2004 at 20:50. |
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20 Jun 2004, 20:49 (Ref:1010030)
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Charming post.
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20 Jun 2004, 20:52 (Ref:1010034)
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Isn't this similar to what happened with Ayrton Senna in the 1988 Brazilian GP? He started from the pit lane, got up to 2nd place behind Prost, only to be black-flagged at about half distance.
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20 Jun 2004, 20:53 (Ref:1010036)
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Prost at Monza 1986 too.
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20 Jun 2004, 20:54 (Ref:1010040)
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Re: Montoya exclusion. Why after 50+ laps????
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Second williams disqualification in two races. I dont know who's to be blamed... |
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20 Jun 2004, 20:55 (Ref:1010044)
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I agree that it was rather stupid not to have black flagged him after a lap or two...
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20 Jun 2004, 21:00 (Ref:1010053)
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I believe Monty already had done his first pitstop after we got first notice that he was under investigation. Surely, there is no margain for breaking this rule so when it happens, it happens and the penalty must be given then and there.
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20 Jun 2004, 21:24 (Ref:1010079)
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It's just utter BS.
I thought they had to issue a penalty within 20 minutes of stating that the car was under investigation. And then it was well into the race before they decided to investigate. Thanks to the stewards for allowing JPM to risk a puncture with all the carbon fibre shards everywhere lap after lap only for it to be for nothing. |
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20 Jun 2004, 21:25 (Ref:1010080)
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Thank you Frued - I'll buy you a drink next time in the pub.
No -one else picked up on the point that it is out of order to risk a guy's backside for nothing. see my other posts about How long it took the doctors to get to Ralf. |
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20 Jun 2004, 21:46 (Ref:1010113)
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Well the FIA is very quick to impose fines and reprimand its drivers on petty errors. May be now JPM should ask them for some compensation.
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20 Jun 2004, 21:53 (Ref:1010126)
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excellent response.
You and I are one on this. |
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20 Jun 2004, 21:56 (Ref:1010132)
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just heard another theory .. they let him on track for marketing reasons . you know . HP, Bud .. etc .. . it sounds strange . but . who knows ...
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20 Jun 2004, 21:58 (Ref:1010137)
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I can find no reference in the FIA 2004 F1 Sporting Regulations to any 20 minute rule or any requirements to how long after an incident takes place when the FIA have to make a decision. Indeed it seems that it could theoretically happen after the race has finished!
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20 Jun 2004, 22:05 (Ref:1010147)
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"The reason for Juan Pablo’s black flag is that when we tried to start the engine on the grid, the starter would not engage into the back of the car and we decided therefore that Juan Pablo should get into the T-car. However, according to the FIA’s article No.85 Juan Pablo would need to have left the grid within 15 seconds before the start of the formation lap and we were a few seconds too late. Obviously two disappointing results in a row is not good. However we are fighter and intend to come back strongly"
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20 Jun 2004, 22:08 (Ref:1010154)
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A rule was broken and therefore his disqualification was fair, however, the way it was done was simply yet another demonstration of FIA incompetence. If a rule has been broken it shouldn't take the guys that have written the damn rule book half the race to spot the infringment!
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20 Jun 2004, 22:14 (Ref:1010165)
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Although I swear blind that something was in place to that effect in the past. I distinctively recall this point being discussed a few years ago during race commentary. Oh well, then was then and this is now. |
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20 Jun 2004, 22:18 (Ref:1010172)
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Brundle made the same comment about the 20 minute thing. I'm annoyed that they BF'd him just as he was catching up Barry and Schuey!
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20 Jun 2004, 22:21 (Ref:1010179)
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The 20 min rule is one of those rules that changes quite regularly I guess (with little notification). I haven't a clue what the current situation is. Thansk for Neil for looking through the rules for us.
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20 Jun 2004, 22:25 (Ref:1010187)
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i found the 15 secs one . but no 20 minutes in the sporting . i got it now from FIA but it;s a 2003 version . maybe they didn;t update the website
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20 Jun 2004, 22:29 (Ref:1010192)
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20 Jun 2004, 22:48 (Ref:1010209)
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I did beleive you Neil, but I've had a quick search through that too. There are lots of rules about it and the notification. The main ones are notifications about driver-throughs and stop-goes, but none mention a time scale now. As far as I can see.
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21 Jun 2004, 00:50 (Ref:1010266)
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JPM must be just fuming about the entire situation.... he being out there all that time meaninglessly ...especially with his teammate in such a serious accident. He would have no way of telling the cause but in his mind there was a chance it could be a mechanical fault that he shared. Shame on FIA !!!!
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21 Jun 2004, 02:36 (Ref:1010296)
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Re: Re: Montoya exclusion. Why after 50+ laps????
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21 Jun 2004, 02:37 (Ref:1010297)
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There's no reason to fume. The regulations were clear, and unfortunate as it may be, he's fairly black flagged for it.
FIA should be able to work faster on such things...it's either too slow and get banned, or just right. But thinking on the bright side, maybe FIA just want to get things right before the black flag is shown ...afterall, they haven't used that flag for so long... It's dangerous out there yesterday with all the carbon, but i think its the same for everyone. if FIA wants to do anything about it, they should just stop the race. To blame FIA for endangering JPM? Com'on...Sam could have called JPM in on safety concerns, but it didn't happen. And when notice is first served, Williams would've seen replays, time it, judge they have flout the rules, and call JPM in earlier to protect JPM's safety.. Last edited by Gt_R; 21 Jun 2004 at 02:40. |
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