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Well, it's certainly been a dirty joke for a few seasons, eh?
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I suppose it boils down to whether the failures are due to the incompetence of the engineers or the incompetent political meddling of their superiors.
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Is this a nasty sleight on Italian Engineering?
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Its likely a combination of the two. Letting Costa go was their first mistake. I suspect Brawn will be lured from his fishing adventures. What a shame that schummy is unwell. I would have loved to see him playing the role of Todt in a Brawn/Schumacher partnership.
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As Hawkwood suggests, more a nasty sleight on the Italian propensity for doomed political meddling.
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i used to scoff at Mclaren's organizational approach as being too corporate or design by committee but times are changing and budgets are so huge i dont see how one person can be expected to fulfill that role at the top anymore. traditional titles like Technical Director looks to be getting phased out (at Merc and Williams anyways) and while the idea of a Team Principal is still there the duties for the TP are done (very visibly) by others (again Merc and Williams are the best examples). some of the teams are changing (modernizing even) how they structure themselves and Ferrari look to be reacting to this trend late if they are at all even. whether or not there is any merit to this new corporate type structures is of course still debatable. Last edited by chillibowl; 15 Apr 2014 at 18:34. Reason: edit to make myself sound less idiotic. thanks BSchneiderFan :) |
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I'm sad to see Domenicali go. He was always a smiley personable interviewee. For a long time I had thought he might be too nice to manage Ferrari.
Ditto for Martin Whitmarsh. Ross Brawn seems the obvious shoe-in for the job. Which probably means it won't happen. I get the feeling that Luca di Gorgonzola is not a great fan of the Todt/Brawn/Byrne/Schumacher era. Ferrari's most successful years ever of course, but that's not as important as political manoeuvring, waving arms and long lunches with lots of Lambrusco. |
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First of all, I think he falls into the same category as Whitmarsh & Domenicali, he appears to be a nice, honest & straight talking guy. Ferrari will want a mouthpiece to spout the company line whatever happens, not tell the truth. I also agree that there is a lot of resentment in the fact that during Ferrari's most successful times in recent memory, none of the men judged as responsible were of Latin descent... |
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Todt kept Luca pacified and away from things while Ross Brawn and Michael Schumacher went about transforming Ferrari into something it had never been before... and frankly will never be again.
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Can just imagine the Fiat / Ferrari board meeting:
"Stefano, you had a veto power on the drafting of the rules and the biggest budget, and you agreed to an engine freeze???!!!" |
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He knows full well what the word 'scapegoat' means.....
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I too like Stefano; and, there is something in the "corporate" approach to racing at that level (actually business) that means the nice guys will always fail. Which is why I would hate to see Ross go back.
Ferrari is not the best team in the world, it is "just" a team. Same as McLaren or Williams. I exclude the others because they have no history, but they are teams in the true sense of the word. And none of them deserve better treatment than the others, so essentially all of them are vying for an ever diminishing pot of gold. Enter "******tics" and Ferrari and you get the sacking of people that we can equate to, in order to show that the team principals are all powerful. And here, I include Ron. |
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