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30 Jun 2004, 01:32 (Ref:1020884)
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Is it time for Seton to hang up the helmet?
Geez I know Im gonna get grilled for this one.
I will say this: His qualifying speed say no, he shouldnt retire. Although qualifying is only part of the gig. Results matter and for the past few years (Bathurst last year excluded) he has done little or nothing in the way of dazzling race results. He is doing no favors to FPR by staying next year. Over the hill syndrome has hit him hard, he cant sustain pace, sure he may qualify just outside the top ten (sometimes in it) but it only takes the best part of 10 laps before he is lucky to be in the top 20. Time to be gracefull me thinks. Last edited by Archer; 30 Jun 2004 at 01:33. |
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I support (V8): Holden, Holden Racing Team, Perkins Motorsport, #888, #2, #22, #11, #7, #3, #34, #51, #55, #33, #88, #18, #4, #5 & #1. I support (F1): Williams Toyota, Red Bull Renault, #15, #16, #23, #9 & #10. RIP Peter Brock and Mark Porter 
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30 Jun 2004, 02:28 (Ref:1020910)
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I dont think so, for the last couple of years he has been in a struggling team, thats got to affect results.
I doubt there are many more dissapointed people than the baby faced assassin himself with recent results. except maybe lowndes of course. I understand he provides alot of set up data for the team, and recent drives in the capri show he still has the talent. |
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30 Jun 2004, 02:42 (Ref:1020916)
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Silk purse/sows ear syndrome applies here. As Dick Johnson once said, "You can't make strawberry jam out of pig s
 t".The V8 Supercar game is all about the equipment underneath you. In reality, his more illustrious teammate has done little better, lucking his way to a couple or round wins in extreme weather conditions, then languishing around the fringes of the top ten on a good day. We all know the FPR cars are absolute buckets of !! No, I think Seto has a few good years in him yet. I know it was a while ago, but people forget his excellent performances in 1993 and 1997. |
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30 Jun 2004, 02:56 (Ref:1020922)
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I might agree with you if his car had the pace to be properly competetive, and it was still happening but in the current equipment, i don't think this is a fair assessment.
I like Glen, and i think he drives well. I'd love to see whether he was still at the edge in a properly fast car still. I'm sure so would he. |
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30 Jun 2004, 02:59 (Ref:1020923)
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30 Jun 2004, 03:00 (Ref:1020924)
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as for using FPR and Lowndes as an excuse for his performances... Be real! he hasnt been a contender since his last championship in 97. 98 nothing, 99 nothing, 00 nothing, 01 nothing, 02 nothing, 03 nothing, 04 so far- nothing. A few good years left in him? Dream on. |
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I support (V8): Holden, Holden Racing Team, Perkins Motorsport, #888, #2, #22, #11, #7, #3, #34, #51, #55, #33, #88, #18, #4, #5 & #1. I support (F1): Williams Toyota, Red Bull Renault, #15, #16, #23, #9 & #10. RIP Peter Brock and Mark Porter
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30 Jun 2004, 03:02 (Ref:1020925)
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I can't wait for Seton Fanatic to see this thread
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30 Jun 2004, 03:11 (Ref:1020928)
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ya! Next time you ask a question, I'll know not to give my opinion.
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"I still can't spin the wheels all the way down the straight in high gear", Mark Donohue (The Unfair Advantage) commenting to the Porsche engineers on the 1100hp 1973 Can-Am Porsche 917-30 when asked whether the car has enough horsepower yet!!
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30 Jun 2004, 03:12 (Ref:1020930)
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Charming EL
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I support (V8): Holden, Holden Racing Team, Perkins Motorsport, #888, #2, #22, #11, #7, #3, #34, #51, #55, #33, #88, #18, #4, #5 & #1. I support (F1): Williams Toyota, Red Bull Renault, #15, #16, #23, #9 & #10. RIP Peter Brock and Mark Porter
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30 Jun 2004, 03:47 (Ref:1020943)
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I positively believe that Glenn shouldn't retire. There are many mitigating factors that have caused this thread to pop up and I will cover these in considerable detail.
CHAMPIONSHIP RESULTS: 1998: 6th 1999: =3rd with Skaife 2000: 5th 2001: 16th 2002: 24th 2003: 15th 2004: 21st BATHURST RESULTS: 1998: 5th 1999: 5th 2000: 13th 2001: 9th 2002: DNF 2003: 2nd QUALIFYING: There is no doubt that Glenn has always been an excellent qualifier; particularly in shootouts when the pressure is really on. Generally, Glenn remained a force in Qualifying until 2002 when the confidence levels were at their lowest following the Phillip Island crash and the enormous difficulty in getting the famed 'Silver Streak' to handle on Dunlop tyres which clearly upset a car which had shown much potential the year before on Bridgestone tyres. Stocks were so low that we saw Glenn qualify 27th at Phillip Island; 28th at Pukekohe and Surfers Paradise. 2003 was always going to be difficult in terms of Qualifying given the enormous adjustments that Glenn had to make in being just a driver. He did well to be consistently 1-2 tenths off Lowndes' pace in Qualifying until Bathurst where that 2nd place seemed to light the Seton spark. He has since been on Craig's pace or outpacing him; whether that is due to more experience in uncompetitive cars or pure driving skill has yet to be quantified. It is looking encouraging to say the least to outpace a driver many want to be in a 'superteam' with Marcos Ambrose. RACING: Let's face facts here: Glenn was a far more aggressive racer before his Phillip Island crash. Since then, he hasn't been as aggressive. There are signs that Glenn has regained some of this lost aggression. Bathurst last year is a prime example of this. Defending his position with unusual vigour from Ambrose warmed the cockles in my heart to say the least. His starts have improved considerably as well, which is a good sign that he is coming around for the Second Coming. THE FUTURE: It would be unfair to disount Glenn from race or championship wins. I feel that he has a five-year window in which to do this on a regular basis. Forget retirement, Glenn Seton still has goals and ambitions which are unfulfilled. He won't be retiring from full-time driving until at least 45. I feel he'll be staying at FPR next year. |
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30 Jun 2004, 05:50 (Ref:1020983)
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If FPR got him a good car it would show not only glenn but every one whether he still had pace and is on the downhill slope to becoming a enduro driver. Until that time it is hard to deter his current levels.
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30 Jun 2004, 05:50 (Ref:1020984)
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I think he has been overrated for a long looooong time
 But I guess he isnt any better or worse than most of the pack driving around. |
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30 Jun 2004, 06:03 (Ref:1020990)
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I think his qualifying efforts compared to Lowndes this year have been quite good.
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30 Jun 2004, 06:10 (Ref:1020992)
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i knew you wouldn't let us down seton fanatic! Does Joe5619 post on here? he'll be next!
Just one point seton fanatic that you and joe keep bringing up - the fact that seton is usualyy within 1 or 2 tenths of CL's time. Please be mindful of the fact the CL is driving, as is alleged, on Glen's set ups. glen is being beaten by someone in a car setup especially for himself......hmmm......i think there is something in that for everyone.......(sorry - too much stocktaking today!!) |
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30 Jun 2004, 06:14 (Ref:1020995)
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Read the post again. Glenn was consistently 1-2 tenths of a second behind Craig before Bathurst last year. Since then, he has been right on Craig's pace or outpacing him. I believe it's a confidence issue for Glenn rather than a driving skill or setup issue.
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30 Jun 2004, 06:20 (Ref:1020997)
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what has that translated to in race results though? CL finished 5th in the Championship last year, glen was.....?
Saying someones worth is what they have achieved in qualifying should get me in the Australian cricket team because I hit more in the middle in the nets than Ponting. Last edited by SRabbit; 30 Jun 2004 at 06:26. |
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30 Jun 2004, 06:23 (Ref:1020999)
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15th in the championship. This is not an excuse, but remember he had the AU for three rounds last year (admittedly, by his own choosing) and reliability didn't go his way when he looked good for top 10 or 5 race results. Otherwise, I'm certain that he would have finished in the top 10.
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30 Jun 2004, 06:24 (Ref:1021001)
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(sorry everyone)
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30 Jun 2004, 08:38 (Ref:1021106)
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And SRabbit, in my opinion Seto was out qualifier & out paced Lowndes all year (but I've choosen not to write this before as I could just image some of the replies). 2003 was a different story, Lowndes was quicker than Seto (Bathurst I think it started to change!!!)... But for what ever reason(s) Seto has been consistantly quicker than Lowndes in practices, quailifing & races THIS YEAR (A if anyone does not believe me, I dare you to go look at lap times!!!!).... However at the end of the day Lowndes is still in front of Seto this year in champhionship points, but not by much!!!! And maybe if the engines hang in there for both Seto & Lowndes it would be a different story for both!!! Last edited by Joe5619; 30 Jun 2004 at 08:42. |
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30 Jun 2004, 09:59 (Ref:1021180)
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I don't think it cold ever be said that Setoj was an "agressive" driver in the mould of some others. That is selling him way too short. Finesse and refinement are more his srong suits. FPR have been behind the game technically and perhaps Seton himself has been adjusting to the new world he finds himself in, not going in to the office ervery day, juggling sponsorship and technical issues n a daily basis, not to mention moving to Qld and turnng upat the races with a helmet and kit bag instead of the aforementioned plus mobile phone. Big change for him. Not over the hill, past it or too slow yet!!!
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30 Jun 2004, 10:14 (Ref:1021206)
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The secret is to get into another class of car and have some fun. If Mr Seton is out of a gig at FPR in 2005, and he ends up as a tester at HRT, hopefully he will end up running something else as a bit of fun.
I can remember Mr Seton's magic drive at Winton in the proddie 300km race, and damned near won the thing in that Leyton House CRX... with very little time in the car... or that Saab effort at the mountain in the 12hr with Bondy.... The guy can drive, he needs to clear his head from driving shytboxes, and go hunting in a class where skill is more important than which accented engineer is used to build the engine.... |
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30 Jun 2004, 10:33 (Ref:1021225)
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I remember when alan grice used to be called the best driver never to win bathurst, to me that title now goes to seton, and he can still win it.
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30 Jun 2004, 11:00 (Ref:1021255)
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I'm not sure that is a title any driver ever wanted...
he can still win and many more times than once. He says it a lot every oher year on the telecast, Godamnit!!!!! |
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30 Jun 2004, 11:19 (Ref:1021279)
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I guess when Mr Seton goes to work for old mate Skaifey he can win Bathurst in a canter.... oops, thats a Mitsubishi isnt it
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It is only if it handles like a truck. Ferrari had words with Alain about "truck" and "handling" once.
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