Chevron B45 - Page 2

Dan Rear · 15 Jan 2004, 14:01 (Ref:839246)

Chris, I posted a while ago re Jim Crawford's B34 Atlantic car he used in a Gp8 race at Brands in October 76. I surmised this may have been an ex Opert US/Canda chassis, brought back to Bolton. Any ideas as we're into Fred's cars at present??

Chris Townsend · 15 Jan 2004, 14:31 (Ref:839266)

Dan

Yes, you were right. I'd completely forgotten that car which is described as 'a development model'. That might mean it was Chevron's works mule with a few B39 bits being tried out, or it could be an Opert car bought back to the mother country.

Problem is: Opert had at least six B34s that season as I see it.

Does anyone have the F1R book that gives the results of that meeting, which might give us a clue?

Chris

Jeremy Jackson · 15 Jan 2004, 14:38 (Ref:839276)

Chris,

F1R doesn't enlighten the situation.

B34-Hart 420R, race no. 26, no chassis info., entrant is Crawford, but I donm't know if that means much, given some of F1R's entrants.

allenbrown · 15 Jan 2004, 17:03 (Ref:839412)

Chris

I briefly glanced at the 1979 US results last night in Formula. There is a McCaig in a B45 and someone I'd never heard of in a B39/45. Those were the only Chevrons I could spot.

If we're right about the fate of B45-02, the B39/45 could be the late-season Opert car which I guess he'd have modified with spare B45 bits by Montreal.

Allen

Chris Townsend · 15 Jan 2004, 17:26 (Ref:839429)

Allen

When do we get to see those 1979 results?
Was the guy you've never heard of Marco Tolama?

Chris

Dan Rear · 16 Jan 2004, 11:34 (Ref:840235)

Jeremy, I'm sure the Crawford B34 at late season Brands was an Atlantic car, ie not a Hart 420R engined one.

Jeremy Jackson · 16 Jan 2004, 11:58 (Ref:840250)

Dan,

I'm only quoting F1R as requested, I wasn't at the meeting & don't have a report, so I can't really confirm any of the data, but F1R obviously isn't infallible.

allenbrown · 16 Jan 2004, 13:07 (Ref:840300)

Chris

Yes, Marco Tolama rings a bell. The 1979 results were in David's copies of Formula and this was the first time I'd had a chance to take them out of the bag. Very few Atlantic reports in 1979 but full lists of finishers tucked away in results pages at the back of each mag.

I'll try to get them done this weekend.

Allen

Dan Rear · 16 Jan 2004, 13:27 (Ref:840330)

Jeremy, point taken re F1R, I've never seen one of these tombs so can't comment on their accuracy at all. The Atlantic engine source for the car comes from my memory, very fallible (!), more reliably the '76 Autocourse. BTW Jim C had a few goes early in 76 in a 'Coin Monthly' backed B29 in G8 plus Indylantic I recall. Was this his ex-SDC car from 1975 does anyone know ?

Chris Townsend · 16 Jan 2004, 13:28 (Ref:840333)

Marco Tolama was Opert's only driver in 1979.
Started out with a B49 and didn't get anywhere
which might have been because Tolama wasn't very good
or the car wasn't [or both]
Switched to a B39 as far as I knew - but a B39/45 might
make a certain sense.

However, I have rejected the idea of the demise of 45-02 at Lime Rock and Opert seeing out the season with only one B45.
At Hamilton both Galica and Rosberg are in B45s. Galica's is described as ex-Elgh in Chris Waddell's report for NZ Motor Action, and there's a picture. Also, how is Rosberg in a B45 in practice at Montreal [even if he raced a B39] when Spenard is also using an Opert B45 at the same meeting. Perhaps Keke got even closer to the wall than he is in that picture!

Chris

Chris Townsend · 16 Jan 2004, 13:36 (Ref:840342)

Dan

The B29 used by Crawford in Indyatlantic in 76 was the Peter Williams car [Williams owned Coin Monthly] B29-75-17
This was then sold to MArtin Birrane mid season

Jim used two cars with SDC in 75 - the works development car [02?] then 29-75-15 from mid season. [I think it possible that this was Choularton's car until that point, and that Choularton got chassis 19 at the meeting where he handed 15 to Jim.] The development car went to Jim Crawley in 1975, 15 went to Len Booysen in S.Africa for 1976, and Phil Dowsett used the other SDC car.

Chris

Dan Rear · 16 Jan 2004, 13:53 (Ref:840375)

Chris, thanks that tidies it up nicely.

ISTR Peter 'Coin' Williams on tele at a Boxing Day Brands meet in about 1975, with a B27. Think Musetti won in one of his F2 Marches, did Gerry Marshall in Baby Bertha also race in this? Great to remember when clubbies used to get on the Beeb ! Again dredging up memory, I think the race was sponsored by a Disney Film, of all things ! Anyone else remember this?

Teretonga · 17 Jan 2004, 22:56 (Ref:841923)

Jeff
Your car, B45-4 at Oulton Park in 1983, in the hands of a Duncan Gray for the 'Oulton Open' part of what was to be a series but ended up a single event. Car Rtd during the day (Autosport April 7)

jlcw · 20 Jan 2004, 00:53 (Ref:843429)

Teretonga,

Thank you for that info.

Jeff

Chris Townsend · 5 Apr 2006, 08:12 (Ref:1571158)

Quick update on Chevron B45s

45.78.01 New to Tony Martin, initially with B39 bodywork, December 77.
Burned out in garage fire, 1980
45.78.02 Opert's regular car for Rosberg in USA/Canada. Retained 1979 as car for
Marco Tolama and Doug Titus. Sold in NE USA and raced in SCCA after 1980 - more information to come soon!
45.78.03 Rick Shea until end 1979, then Colin Tuckey [1980] and Dave Farmer [1983]
45.78.04 Opert's other car, used by Rosberg as spare and at Macau 78. Then to Jim Crawford, etc.

One of the crucial things about this update is that having now traced the histories of chassis 2 and 3 [in the case of 2 up to date] it means that all the "B45s" that appear at places like Macau in 79 and beyond are not real B45s but updated B39s or B40s

Chris

Dan Rear · 5 Apr 2006, 09:51 (Ref:1571249)

Or B42s Chris I'd imagine, eg the Stokes/Wainwright car in Britain in 79 was described as a B45, when we know it was really a 42.

Chris Townsend · 6 Apr 2006, 08:52 (Ref:1572006)

Indeed
Fumio Moto car at Macau 1980 is probably a B40
The Kiyoshi Misaki B45 at the same race is a B42 at Suzuka a month earlier...
The LC Kwan entered B45 for Miedecke maybe B39-04 or the ex Albert Poon
B39/B40 or whatever..

The Wainwright B45 is almost certainly the same car as the Stokes B42.
They never appear at the same race together and share sponsors.
Only the B42 appears for sale subsequently.

Chris

Dan Rear · 10 Jul 2006, 11:10 (Ref:1652139)

If this was one of the ICI cars, where did it go to after Stokes, Chris ?

allenbrown · 10 Jul 2006, 12:39 (Ref:1652219)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teretonga

Jeff
Your car, B45-4 at Oulton Park in 1983, in the hands of a Duncan Gray for the 'Oulton Open' part of what was to be a series but ended up a single event. Car Rtd during the day (Autosport April 7)

Just to pick up the Ray Rowan Chevron B45 issue from the B49 thread, I've no idea who Duncan Gray was but I've double-checked this in Autosport and the report does indeed confirm that the "lementably slow" Gray was in the ex-Crawford B45. So does this mean Gray had hired the car from Rowan or does it mean that Rowan must have had a different Chevron B45?

Steve - how did you identify Rowan's car in your Sprint results for 1982 and 1983?

Allen

Chris Townsend · 10 Jul 2006, 16:13 (Ref:1652406)

Gray [who was only marginally quicker than Ken Brill] ran the car in at least two rounds of the triumph of motorsport that was the 1983 British Formula Atlantic championship.
Given that Fisher is meant to own the Rowan car before him [ie in 1981] this conflicts with the known ownership of the ex Crawford B45-04 at that time [with Vin Malkie].
I think that we can rule out the B45-04 and just confuse ourselves between B42 and B48...

Dan Rear · 11 Jul 2006, 09:33 (Ref:1653222)

I've also noted Duncan Gray in a B43 out in '81 Libre race at Mallory. Was he connected with Malkie/Chevron I wonder, given these drives?

allenbrown · 11 Jul 2006, 09:52 (Ref:1653240)

Interesting. Another question for Vin or Helen.

I've also just noticed Rowan getting into the Top 10 at Bardon in 1982 in his B45-BDA (Mason p332). Mason also calls it a 1.6 B45-BDA in his commentary on 1984 (p343) and in a photo caption on p345, and confirms on p350 when reviewing Rowan's career to date that the "methanol-fuelled" B45 had gone to Simon Ridge.

Steve Wilkinson · 11 Jul 2006, 12:05 (Ref:1653380)

Quote:

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Interesting. Another question for Vin or Helen.

I've also just noticed Rowan getting into the Top 10 at Bardon in 1982 in his B45-BDA (Mason p332). Mason also calls it a 1.6 B45-BDA in his commentary on 1984 (p343) and in a photo caption on p345, and confirms on p350 when reviewing Rowan's career to date that the "methanol-fuelled" B45 had gone to Simon Ridge.

That would be Stuart Ridge who I am still trying to contact wrt his TWO Maurer F2 cars.

Dan Rear · 11 Jul 2006, 12:15 (Ref:1653390)

MM80 and MM81, Steve ???

Dan Rear · 11 Jul 2006, 13:01 (Ref:1653449)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Rear

I've also noted Duncan Gray in a B43 out in '81 Libre race at Mallory. Was he connected with Malkie/Chevron I wonder, given these drives?

Any link to Don Gray I wonder, another fairly slow Chevron runner of the late 70s !

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