ALMS 2012 Discussion - Page 70

FstrthnU · 12 Feb 2012, 02:14 (Ref:3024698)

Dagys has got a couple videos up on his Youtube page

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz-PTML5UHg
Level 5 HPD-ARX 03b onboard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3v44kCMZxY
Muscle Milk HPD-ARX 03a overview, and interviews with drivers

cmk · 12 Feb 2012, 02:28 (Ref:3024700)

No idea where the link between RSR and Audi is coming from given the information in that post. Given Audi are shrewd sportscar operators of the highest order, I assume RSR is very very low on their list of teams to represent the four rings after the XJR mess.

Jonerz · 12 Feb 2012, 03:32 (Ref:3024706)

Perhaps P2 for RSR?

Chris

Speed-King · 12 Feb 2012, 04:01 (Ref:3024713)

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Originally Posted by Jonerz

Perhaps P2 for RSR?

Chris

Wouldn't think so. John Dagys is usually pretty good with his rumor lists and that would definitely be an un-accounted for entry...

More likely one of the 10-11 LMPCs, I think...

Jonerz · 12 Feb 2012, 07:08 (Ref:3024753)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speed-King

Wouldn't think so. John Dagys is usually pretty good with his rumor lists and that would definitely be an un-accounted for entry...

More likely one of the 10-11 LMPCs, I think...

You're right, LMPC is far more their speed.

Chris

rich07 · 12 Feb 2012, 07:11 (Ref:3024754)

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Originally Posted by MitchZ06

Audi NA paying Rocketsports to run an R18? Could be anything I guess!

Thanks Mitch for the laughs, you've made my day.

Rodger Davies · 12 Feb 2012, 07:42 (Ref:3024758)

Quote:

Originally Posted by FstrthnU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz-PTML5UHg
Level 5 HPD-ARX 03b onboard

Great video thanks, interesting to see the P2 Nissan blow away the P2 HPD in a straight line...

is this definitely the 03b and not the 01g?

Coach Ep · 12 Feb 2012, 11:20 (Ref:3024829)

Rocketsport running a Lotus Evora in GTE?

lms · 12 Feb 2012, 11:27 (Ref:3024831)

what is the difference between the 01g and the 03b apart from the big honking bull****? The cars look very similar.

AGD · 12 Feb 2012, 12:03 (Ref:3024838)

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Originally Posted by lms

what is the difference between the 01g and the 03b apart from the big honking bull****? The cars look very similar.

Different tubs. I believe the -03s don't use Oreca/Courage LC75 sourced tubs.

KA · 12 Feb 2012, 13:50 (Ref:3024864)

Quote:

Originally Posted by rich07

Thanks Mitch for the laughs, you've made my day.

On the showing they made with the Jaguar, I'd say there's more chance of Audi NA paying them not to run an Audi...

NaBUru38 · 12 Feb 2012, 14:13 (Ref:3024872)

From what you say, the new ALMS GT manufactureres must be Lotus and Aston Martin. Where's Ford and Dodge defending the stars and stripes?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fogelhund

Mosport has been renamed Canadian Tire Motorsport Park.

Damn! They could have kept Mosport as Laguna Seca did. How about Canadian Tire Raceway at Mosport Park?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Ep

Rocketsport running a Lotus Evora in GTE?

You're right, sub-GTE is far more their speed. :P

Speed-King · 12 Feb 2012, 16:01 (Ref:3024891)

Quote:

Originally Posted by KA

On the showing they made with the Jaguar, I'd say there's more chance of Audi NA paying them not to run an Audi...

With Audi being pretty much the Abercombie and Fitch of the car industry, does that make RSR the Jersey Shore of racing? (Explanation for those that don't get the pop/trash-culture reference )

Salamus · 12 Feb 2012, 16:58 (Ref:3024899)

Quote:

Great video thanks, interesting to see the P2 Nissan blow away the P2 HPD in a straight line...

I don't think the Nissan is that much faster then the HPD, just that it had greater speed coming off the turn 16 and went much faster down the straight. After turn 17, the two cars seemed evenly matched down the straight...

kyoung · 12 Feb 2012, 17:00 (Ref:3024900)

Found a couple videos of the Sebring test on YouTube if anyone’s interested, nothing particularly revealing but fun to watch if you enjoy that sort of thing. If you’re here I will assume you are interested…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltHOEEZl4W0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIzUSuT4zz0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73JsbJrLhwc

kyoung · 12 Feb 2012, 17:36 (Ref:3024909)

And one more...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&fe...&v=jMLf2SlrDik

FstrthnU · 12 Feb 2012, 18:10 (Ref:3024914)

So what do you guys think Ford will do over the next couple of years? Lambda's building a couple Ford GT GTEs but they probably won't last very long, and the car is already 8 years old. They're not just going to let Dodge and Chevrolet steal the spotlight with the SRT Viper GTE and the Corvette C7.R, will they?

If their rumored next-gen sports car (slotting above the 2015 Mustang?) doesn't have a Le Mans variant, you guys think we'll see an LMP1 program or something like that? They're running engines in Grand-Am, but no complete cars. Or do you guys think they'll stick to WRC and WTCC (and the other Block junk here in the US)?

FordCosworthPanoz · 12 Feb 2012, 18:19 (Ref:3024916)

Quote:

Originally Posted by FstrthnU

So what do you guys think Ford will do over the next couple of years? Lambda's building a couple Ford GT GTEs but they probably won't last very long, and the car is already 8 years old. They're not just going to let Dodge and Chevrolet steal the spotlight with the SRT Viper GTE and the Corvette C7.R, will they?

If their rumored next-gen sports car (slotting above the 2015 Mustang?) doesn't have a Le Mans variant, you guys think we'll see an LMP1 program or something like that? They're running engines in Grand-Am, but no complete cars. Or do you guys think they'll stick to WRC and WTCC (and the other Block junk here in the US)?

If it is a "spotlight" then it's a very small one. Viper and Corvette would do just fine in the United States if they didn't have a GTE program.

I doubt an LMP1 program, it just doesn't make any sense for a company like Ford. You would get little to nothing in ROI. I would not however be suprised to see a different variant of the V6 Turbo we'll be seeing in the Grand Am DPs in Indycar in the not so distant future. NASCAR WILL continue to be the center of their program and I expect more grassroots racing programs like the Ford Focus STR, Boss 302R ect as well as perhaps a Mustang GT effort in either Grand Am or ALMS in the future. So I think the future for Ford will be efforts in popular (Indycar only for the 500) series like NASCAR and Indycar (and perhaps an increased effort in DP) with plenty of grassroots racing in series like CTSCC, SCCA WC, NASA ect.

I'm probably wrong, but I think their WRC and WTCC programs are funded in Europe and not straight from the Ford Factory.

Fogelhund · 12 Feb 2012, 18:22 (Ref:3024917)

Quote:

Originally Posted by FstrthnU

So what do you guys think Ford will do over the next couple of years? Lambda's building a couple Ford GT GTEs but they probably won't last very long, and the car is already 8 years old. They're not just going to let Dodge and Chevrolet steal the spotlight with the SRT Viper GTE and the Corvette C7.R, will they?

If their rumored next-gen sports car (slotting above the 2015 Mustang?) doesn't have a Le Mans variant, you guys think we'll see an LMP1 program or something like that? They're running engines in Grand-Am, but no complete cars. Or do you guys think they'll stick to WRC and WTCC (and the other Block junk here in the US)?

Ford won't do a thing.

Rodger Davies · 12 Feb 2012, 18:25 (Ref:3024920)

Quote:

Originally Posted by FordCosworthPanoz

Viper and Corvette would do just fine in the United States if they didn't have a GTE program.

Whilst I agree with you, to a degree, I do feel they benefit from some form of racing presence. Even if the customer doesn't know which series the car is in, having a factory supported race version of the car means it finds its way into video games and showroom posters, it all helps.

For example, would you say the Viper is as well known or popular now, as a concept, as it was a decade ago in the height of its GT programme?

Jacques Rabbit · 12 Feb 2012, 18:50 (Ref:3024925)

Viper, Corvette, etc. race mostly for image, and partially for some road-relevant development. Would Ford jump in? Probably not. They don't market a car that competes with Viper and Corvette; Mustang competes with Challenger and Camaro and even then is about half their price.

None of them are in this game to sell a whole lot of cars. When you have something as niche as Vipers and Corvettes (even if Corvettes are a bit more common given their relatively lower cost) that demand a lot of money, it's a small market. I'd love to know the number of people who turn on an ALMS race, see Corvette run well, and decide to go buy one...and even more so, I'd love to know the people who are considering a Porsche or Ferrari, see Corvette beat them, and buy a Corvette instead. I guess people with a lot more money (as they'd have to be to buy these cars) would be more willing to just buy a spur-of-the-moment car, but for now, it's all image.

Chrysler and GM have decided they want to have this performance/racing image with their "supercar" and use it to reflect on their entire brand as a whole to those of us who are more in the price range of a 200 or a Malibu (neither of which I would even look into personally). Ford's approach to marketing seems very centered on fuel economy and the durability of their trucks (though they hype the Ford F150 as class-leading in fuel economy, too). If they ever got involved in ALMS, it'd have more to do with EcoBoost than flashing some muscle against the other manufacturers. They didn't exactly follow Chevy to IndyCar, for example.

AndrewF31 · 12 Feb 2012, 18:55 (Ref:3024927)

Despite them only racing in the ALMS most of the time, the Corvette has gradually started finding itself in the showrooms of European Chevrolet car stands.
Here in Portugal, the Vette is now sold, and is displayed in a stand in downtown Lisbon.
The fact that they only run in ALMS and once a year in Le Mans, with forays in FIA GT categories (and also ADAC Masters with Callaway), has meant a lot of exposure, nationally and internationally, without forking over a bundles of money on World Championships via the factory teams.

cbbrit · 12 Feb 2012, 18:58 (Ref:3024928)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rodger Davies

Great video thanks, interesting to see the P2 Nissan blow away the P2 HPD in a straight line...

is this definitely the 03b and not the 01g?

Car #95 is the HPD ARX-01g; Car #055 is the HPD ARX-03b

cbbrit · 12 Feb 2012, 18:58 (Ref:3024929)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rodger Davies

Great video thanks, interesting to see the P2 Nissan blow away the P2 HPD in a straight line...

is this definitely the 03b and not the 01g?

Car #95 is the HPD ARX-01g; car #055 is the HPD ARX-03b.

Duff_44 · 12 Feb 2012, 21:21 (Ref:3024977)

Does anyone know what's going to happen with car numbering at Sebring? Will the 0x & 0xx numbers be in effect?

If so, what happens to the Level 5 car already numbered #055? #0055?!?!

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