NZV8's 2011/12 - Page 19

promax · 18 Jan 2012, 23:12 (Ref:3013820)

here's next season's engine choices

promax · 18 Jan 2012, 23:18 (Ref:3013823)

a lot of woohooing from Mr Bargwanna while driving the new gen car on Fujitsu Motorsport.. 5 or so minutes ago.

guess someone likes it

Goat Boy · 18 Jan 2012, 23:27 (Ref:3013824)

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Originally Posted by promax

we all know what Goat Boy was getting

his feelings on the subject are pretty clear

I thought I had been quite coy on the issue

I have no problem with the BNT V8's or any of the teams and drivers who compete there, the problem I have is with TMC's very existence in their current form and the way they are involved in a way which seems to ooze nepotism...

Goat Boy · 19 Jan 2012, 04:22 (Ref:3013924)

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Originally Posted by promax

here's next season's engine choices

What's the capacity going to be?

And is the Chev 32V OHC as well? That's not standard Corvette is it...

Power outputs roughly?

What stock parts will be used and how will power parity be assured - through a chip?

promax · 19 Jan 2012, 04:39 (Ref:3013929)

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Originally Posted by Goat Boy

how will power parity be assured

probably the same way the Ute boys do it

Goat Boy · 19 Jan 2012, 09:38 (Ref:3013998)

But the LS3 is a 6.2 litre 16 valve pushrod vs a 5.0 litre 32 valve OHC? How does that work?

DX20VT · 19 Jan 2012, 09:44 (Ref:3014000)

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Originally Posted by Goat Boy

But the LS3 is a 6.2 litre 16 valve pushrod vs a 5.0 litre 32 valve OHC? How does that work?

Same as the NZ V8 Utes,
one is pushrod and one is quad cam are they?

on_to_it · 19 Jan 2012, 18:44 (Ref:3014217)

I think Utes have an intake restrictor, effectively the same kind of kit as we used on Cadet karts years ago. They just dyno them to make sure they have all the same power output.

There isn't a lot of difference in horsepower between the two but there is a torque advantage to the LS3. It will depend on which engine spec they settle on. By that I mean the 5.0 Coyote in the 2012 Mustang has 10hp less than the 2011. If it's the Boss variant, it has about 30hp more than standard. So really, who knows for sure at this stage.

Goat Boy · 19 Jan 2012, 20:59 (Ref:3014267)

Does anyone know roughly how much power they will aim for? Obviously they would want more than the V8 Utes or the current NZV8's. But torque is a big issue on our twisty circuits too.

I must say I can't understand why them good ole' boys at GM can't sit down and design a V8 engine with overhead cams and multiple valves - Ford has my respect for finally doing that. If you look at the current HSV vs Falcon GT wars, Ford have the edge in power with an engine that is a fair bit smaller now, which means they get to put the bigger numbers on the boots of their cars. All GM seem to do is keep increasing capacity...

promax · 19 Jan 2012, 21:17 (Ref:3014274)

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Originally Posted by Goat Boy

I must say I can't understand why them good ole' boys at GM can't sit down and design a V8 engine with overhead cams and multiple valves

like a Northstar?

on_to_it · 19 Jan 2012, 21:26 (Ref:3014278)

Yeah good point, but they don't make them anymore.

promax · 20 Jan 2012, 03:02 (Ref:3014375)

which is probably why a LS engine will be used

promax · 20 Jan 2012, 03:12 (Ref:3014377)

test session 1...

Angus Fogg
Jason Bargwanna
Martin Short
Tim Edgell
Nick Ross
Simon Evans
Simon Richards
Trevor Parmenter
Dwayne Carter
Ross Cameron

in TRS test session 1...
top 10 guys in the 58's

woohoo

Sidewayz · 20 Jan 2012, 18:08 (Ref:3014649)

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Originally Posted by promax

a lot of woohooing from Mr Bargwanna while driving the new gen car on Fujitsu Motorsport.. 5 or so minutes ago.

guess someone likes it

I watched that footage last night, he seemed very excited, and happy with what the new car is.
MRX has finished #003 chassis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7Hk2BGv0xk

promax · 20 Jan 2012, 20:38 (Ref:3014708)

now they need to stick one of these in it

Ford and Holden fans will have plenty to cheer about with the announcement that the proven Ford Coyote and Chevy LS3 engines have been selected as the power plants for the new Ford and Holden NZV8 championship cars currently under construction.

Announcing the engine choice, NZV8s chairman Ian (Inky) Tulloch said the two engines have been proved in the racing environment and are also currently used in the Ford Mustang and General Motors Chev Corvette.

They are state of the art lightweight high performance race proven V8 engines with electronic fuel injection and will be dry sumped. Apart from the sump modification the engine packages will be ready to race.

The Ford Coyote is a 5 litre quad cam unit while the Holden’s LS3 has a 6.2 litre displacement. Both are the latest model production engines that can produce in excess of 450 hp. With electronic engine management, parity can be achieved to ensure close, exciting racing.

“We delayed announcing our engine selection until testing of the new Ford Coyote engine in the Australian V8 Utes proved its performance and reliability. We are now satisfied that this engine will be ideal for the new generation Ford V8. The LS3 needed no further proof of performance.

“Testing of the prototype new generation space frame NZV8 with the existing engine and transmission on South Island circuits is showing we have an excellent chassis and race package that will perfectly compliment the new Ford and Holden engines,” Inky said

Icarus_nz · 21 Jan 2012, 02:35 (Ref:3014814)

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Originally Posted by Goat Boy

Having re-read some info to hand I think I have most of the picture now...

VEEGA was the company owned by the franchisees of the NZV8's, they were 50/50 owners with TMC of NZV8's Limited. Then for some reason a disagreement happened and I am told that TMC terminated their shareholding in the above company, and the entire board of VEEGA resigned and went on to form V8ST.

So now there is no VEEGA, and no NZV8's Ltd either from what I can see.

Exactly whom owns what now in the BNT V8's I really don't know. What happens next season I also don't know.

But it is sure to be interesting...

I think this would be an interesting tory for a REAL investigative journalist to look into (As an aside - are there any left covering motorsport or that all PR hacks?)

Me understanding is that 'way back when', the individual franchisee's paid real cash money and TMC matched that with 'value in kind'. i.e. No money - just the deals they could bring to the table.

That situation worked well enough for long enough. Over the last few years the situation had been growing increasingly tense with growing competitor dissatisfaction.
TMC terminated their shareholding by accident (read incompetance by a little man with long hair) - much to their dismay.

The people who have gone to form ST have done it all in the open really. And in that situation - Either you're with them or agin them...

Its too late for reconcilliation now so let the devil take the hindmost.

Back to my original point tho - can anyone sketch the whole story from whoa to go? I think it would explain a lot.

Goat Boy · 21 Jan 2012, 10:47 (Ref:3014894)

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Originally Posted by Icarus_nz

I think this would be an interesting tory for a REAL investigative journalist to look into (As an aside - are there any left covering motorsport or that all PR hacks?)

We should get Ian Wishart to look into it

Good additional piece to the puzzle mate, thanks!

promax · 21 Jan 2012, 20:31 (Ref:3015102)

the Fogg green machine...

Goat Boy · 22 Jan 2012, 00:03 (Ref:3015154)

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Originally Posted by promax

the Fogg green machine...

Ha, they's mad, them trucks!

promax · 22 Jan 2012, 05:16 (Ref:3015195)

in 3 weeks time.. Super Trucks will be swapped with Muscle Cars

*drools Muscle Cars*

Goat Boy · 22 Jan 2012, 08:44 (Ref:3015213)

Yup, love them Muscle Cars too

Goat Boy · 22 Jan 2012, 19:30 (Ref:3015402)

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Originally Posted by Icarus_nz

I think this would be an interesting tory for a REAL investigative journalist to look into (As an aside - are there any left covering motorsport or that all PR hacks?)

I don't know whether any journalist at all has ever looked into this in fact - I can't remember ever reading anything about it except on the forums, which as we all know are hotbeds of rumour and scuttlebutt!

The only thing I can remember seeing in the media is the odd comment by Eric Thompson about it.

Stockman · 23 Jan 2012, 08:55 (Ref:3015587)

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Originally Posted by Pseudonym

Veega has been dissolved, was a joint venture between tmc and v8 entrants... etc. Not sure what the split ownership wise was but has resorted back to parent company, NZV8s ltd.

NZ VEE EIGHT ENTRANTS GROUP ASSOCIATION LIMITED

Company number: 2192461 Incorporation Date: 19 Dec 2008 Company Status: Registered

Directors, Brian Budd, Janice Edgell, Andrew MacKenzie,Ian Tulloch.
30 Shareholdings.

Goat Boy · 23 Jan 2012, 10:25 (Ref:3015619)

Aha, knowing the name is all you need - I wonder what all the shareholders who have moved to ST's are going to do with their shareholdings...

Total Number of Shares:124 Extensive Shareholding:Yes
Shareholders in Allocation:

Allocation 1:8 shares

Ian TULLOCK

Allocation 2:4 shares

AUTO NEWS LIMITED
DV Mitchell & Associates Ltd,
Allocation 3:4 shares

INTERNATIONAL MOTORSPORT GROUP LIMITED
Bds Chartered Accountants Ltd, Business Development Specialists, Lvl 12, 17 Albert Street, Auckland, 1141 ,
Allocation 4:4 shares

SCG MOTORSPORT LIMITED
C/-jock Stuart Ltd,
Allocation 5:4 shares

STRAPPING SYSTEMS (NZ) LIMITED
C/- Craig Periam Limited, Chartered Accountants, 13 West Street, Pukekohe, Pukekohe, 2120 , New Zealand
Allocation 6:4 shares

KNIGHT CONSTRUCTION LIMITED
C/-evan Taylor Limited
Allocation 7:4 shares

JOHN MCINTYRE RACING LIMITED

Allocation 8:4 shares

Nigel BARCLAY

Allocation 9:4 shares

Ken HOPPER

Allocation 10:4 shares

Randall EDGELL

Janice EDGELL

Allocation 11:4 shares

Robin WILLIAMS

Allocation 12:4 shares

John LOCKWOOD

Allocation 13:4 shares

Andrew PORTER

Allocation 14:4 shares

RICHARDS TEAM MOTORSPORT (2007) LIMITED
Coombe & Associates Limited, Chartered Accountants, Marshall Street, Paeroa 3600 ,
Allocation 15:4 shares

AUTOTEK GROUP LIMITED
114 Carlyle Street, Christchurch ,
Allocation 16:4 shares

CLASSIC CARS LIMITED
Whk Nelson, A Division Of Whk (nz) Ltd, 72 Trafalgar Street, Nelson 7010 ,
Allocation 17:4 shares

RICHARDS MOTORSPORT LIMITED
,
Allocation 18:4 shares

Christopher ADAMS

Allocation 19:4 shares

Alan MCCARRISON

Allocation 20:4 shares

Nick ROSS

Allocation 21:4 shares

Nick ROSS

Allocation 22:4 shares

Dean PERKINS

Allocation 23:4 shares

Clark PROCTOR

Allocation 24:4 shares

Andrew MACKENZIE

Allocation 25:4 shares

PSR WEST RACING

Allocation 26:4 shares

Paul MANUELL

Allocation 27:4 shares

Wayne ANDERSON

Allocation 28:4 shares

V8 RACING DEVELOPMENTS LIMITED
Map & Associates Limited, 14 Knox Street, Hamilton, Null, 3240 , New Zealand
Allocation 29:4 shares

Andrew ANDERSON

Allocation 30:4 shares

Wayne MCLAUGHLIN
Unit1, 7 Gateway Court, Oxenford, Gold Coast, 4209 , Australia

Stockman · 23 Jan 2012, 21:32 (Ref:3015895)

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Originally Posted by Goat Boy

Aha, knowing the name is all you need .................................

NEW ZEALAND V8'S LIMITED
Company number:1130117, Incorporation Date:03 Apr 2001,Company Status:Registered
Directors: Janice Edgell, Ian Tulloch
Shareholders: NZ Vee Eight Entrants Group Assn Ltd 100%

Previous shareholders: The Motorsport Company 50% removed shares 13th Sept 2010.

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