ERC at Lydden Hill

[B Friendly]

Originally Posted by tbtstt

Motors UK TV guide is now up for Sunday and, unless I'm missing the obvious (not for the first time! ), I can't see anything on there!

The live coverage is on monday i believe, not sunday.

[King Arthur]

I think tbtstt you have fallen into the same time trap that I did. I believe the TV is Monday only (Bank Holiday) so will not be on planner until tonight.

I think the UK is the only round that does not take place Saturday Sunday.

TW aka KA

[B Friendly]

Hope the link works! It should be the TV guide in PDF format!

http://www.motorstv.com/sites/defaul...7_20120413.pdf

[tbtstt]

Originally Posted by B Friendly

The live coverage is on monday i believe, not sunday.

Sorry, should have added to my last post that I assume its just some heats and the Finals are getting coverage on Monday!

Originally Posted by B Friendly

Hope the link works! It should be the TV guide in PDF format!

http://www.motorstv.com/sites/defaul...7_20120413.pdf

That works for me!

Live on Monday 13:00 - 14:00 and 16:00 - 18:00.

If I don't get petrol today that might be where I end up watching it from...

[rallyx73]

The super car BRC round at the European lydden event . Are they being run as a stand alone support class or amalgamated within the European event . I see likes of Doran Hill etc entered in European event anyone know correct answer thanks

[AlamakiRX]

Originally Posted by rallyx73

The super car BRC round at the European lydden event . Are they being run as a stand alone support class or amalgamated within the European event . I see likes of Doran Hill etc entered in European event anyone know correct answer thanks

Yes it is a round of the BRC and yes are amalgamated within the ERC Supercar class. This is only for eligible FULLY FIA compliant cars, this is why the likes of Mundy, Grant, Pusey, Horton are missing.

Also Godfrey choosing to do Super 1600 so doesnt step on any Supercar customers toes.

[King Arthur]

As a Steward and Clerk who unfortunately likes reading the rules I wonder how this works. I enter the BRC and utilise a perfectly acceptable car. I am now told that I cannot enter 1 round because my car whilst MSA compliant is not 2012 FIA complient. I am therfore at a disadvantage as to my ability to score points against the FIA complient competitors. My question therefore is can the MSA authorise a MSA Championship round in which not all valid competitors can take part. Seems very unfair on the likes of Mundy, Grant, Pusey, Horton etc who are supporting the BRC all year but cannot take part in this round. It would be very interesting to see what happened if one of them put their money down and protested this. I know I would if I was their Team Manager.

[B Friendly]

I agree, it is unfair to the 'clubman' Supercar drivers. Although from what i can read in the regs, there are 2 rounds to drop! They will have to count the ERC round as a dropped score!

[King Arthur]

But why should they have to. It is quite simply an unfair playing field.

[paul1982]

Were is steve harris? Wil pat drive that car? Or Will hè drive liams grc c4?
If hè drive liams car we have THE Same question..... Were is Harris'?

[tbtstt]

Given how late in the day we are now, is it safe to assume that Isachsen is officially out of the 2012 ERC?

[chunder]

I would imagine so

Not that I am bothered, is great to see him drive, but gets boring same bloke winning all the time, especially with dubious rumours about his car!

[rs 200]

Originally Posted by chunder

I would imagine so

Not that I am bothered, is great to see him drive, but gets boring same bloke winning all the time, especially with dubious rumours about his car!

tell us more

[dex92]

Originally Posted by rs 200

tell us more

Someone mentioned something in regards to his car weighing less than everyone else, i think thats what i read anyway.

[rs 200]

sounds a bit odd ,always see scales at events ,i am sure they all get there spot checks .

[Mad Mark Watson]

Originally Posted by B Friendly

Is that a no to the full brc then or just for the ERC round? it will be strange seeing no pink and black Xsara on track!

never say never still working on sponsors but the way the economy is in the UK at the moment it is difficult
Plus a championship so small and not as widespread as some motorsport it is difficult to convince people. The cars and expenses now out weigh what people get in return as say rallying

[tbtstt]

Originally Posted by chunder

I would imagine so

Not that I am bothered, is great to see him drive, but gets boring same bloke winning all the time, especially with dubious rumours about his car!

Yeah, true. With that particular loophole in the rules closed up this year though that advantage should be removed.

Still, there doesn't seem to be a shortage of talent in the ERC this year, so I'm sure the Championship will survive without him.

Originally Posted by paul1982

Were is steve harris? Wil pat drive that car? Or Will hè drive liams grc c4?
If hè drive liams car we have THE Same question..... Were is Harris'?

Good question. Given that RXWorld reported Liams GRC C4 as being the most likely option for Pat to "borrow" that seems a sensible guess. Given Harris is still learning the C4 I guess the ERC may not be the best environment to continue getting to grips with the car?

[StockHatch782]

Originally Posted by Mad Mark Watson

never say never still working on sponsors but the way the economy is in the UK at the moment it is difficult
Plus a championship so small and not as widespread as some motorsport it is difficult to convince people. The cars and expenses now out weigh what people get in return as say rallying

I agree. I'd love to come back and do rallycross, and I think the championship is beginning to take shape now despite the stick I've given it in the last couple of years, but I think it's a sport better suited to big wallets now the cheap cars have gone, because it's small and fairly insular. I guess that's always been the nature of rallycros in comparison to rallying.

[Hickey]

I see that Julian Godfrey has withdrawn his entry now. Anyone have any news on that? Real shame, he had that car running so well last year.

[Hickey]

Sorry for double post, but i just realised that Godfrey is actually entering into the SuperCar category. I guess that is rather good news!

Will Mr Lawford run the Fiesta in the ERC? Does he have the right licence? He only lives in Canterbury, doesnt he...!

[tbtstt]

Originally Posted by Hickey

Sorry for double post, but i just realised that Godfrey is actually entering into the SuperCar category. I guess that is rather good news!

As a possible counted round in the BRC this year I guess it makes more sense for him to do the Supercars?

Sort of answering my own question earlier in the thread (talking to myself: I've properly lost it now )...

Originally Posted by tbtstt

Given how late in the day we are now, is it safe to assume that Isachsen is officially out of the 2012 ERC?

...the latest article on RXWorld...

http://www.rallycrossworld.com/2012/...well-dries-up/

...concerns drivers from Norway. The article closes with:

Originally Posted by RX World

Triple champion Sverre Isachsen is not on the entry list for Lydden, or rather, was not on the lists published so far. Isachsen is facing the same challenges as his Rallycross compatriots and has spent the entire winter in the hunt for a budget to go racing. The decision on whether to race or not has been pushed back several times. Now he’s in England, and says that he will know tonight if he will race at Lydden. Must call him tomorrow…

[Hickey]

Surely if he's in England he can just rent the car off David Binks. Got to be more fun to be in the event than watching it. He can't be that hard up.

Good article though. Very insightful and a real shame that some of the big hitters (in fact all three current champions) are struggling for cash. Doesn't bode well for the rest of the field.

[paul1982]

I think it is not about Rent Ã* car.... More to drive the championship.
But nothing about his American plans.... So Will it be erc grc or nothing....

[Stephen H]

Originally Posted by Mad Mark Watson

never say never still working on sponsors but the way the economy is in the UK at the moment it is difficult
Plus a championship so small and not as widespread as some motorsport it is difficult to convince people. The cars and expenses now out weigh what people get in return as say rallying

Rallycross gets a good crowd though, look at round 1 at Lydden on a Saturday in march.

Other than British Superbikes and BTCC, what other National Motorsport pulls in crowds like that.

I would guess the Lydden crowd would beat an average British Formula 3 crowd and maybe F2?

A smaller championship yes, but in what other type of racing could you take a your car and step up to an international stage and say take in an ERC round at say France, Belgium or Holland.

It's a real shame sponsors are missing the potential rallycross has to offer.

Any chance the plans you had to race in France last year could be revived for 2012?

[USRallycross]

The cost of competing in SuperCars (or whatever the top class is called) has always been high. I remember reading in one of the old Castrol magazines that Welch's Escort Mk2 cost about GBP30,000 - and that was 30 years ago........!

As a former competitor, turned sponsor, turned athlete manager the toughest thing is British Rallycross - but that impacts Europe so as not to thread jack - is the facilities for hospitality at circuits.

However, you guys just be enjoying the event that is to come. My very biased money is on Tanner to pull off a win at the opening event to cover the events he will miss. But if the DS3 is sorted then a home victory for Liam or one for Timur. That has to be the top 3 I would have thought?

Anyone else?

Mark