Acura/HPD's future plans

[deggis]

Originally Posted by avvelenamento

Private teams won't never be able to catch work cars anyway, but the lack of extra torque and power given by the hybrid system will make private not hybrid lmp1 irremediably uncompetitive against hybrid private lmp1.

But private hybrid will not get any weight or increased flow help in the rules as it will run to the same ERS n MJ rules than all manufacturer entries. The "No ERS" option is the one that is tailored for privateers.

[TF110]

Originally Posted by deggis

With their own car. Grandfathering rules unclear at this point, at least I can't find anything in the draft regs. But since they're not planning to use hybrid in 2014 anyway, moot point...

I dont get what youre talking about. Hpd are going to show the new car soon. So it exists and will be available. It will not have a hybrid system in 2014 so it will be less weight.

[deggis]

Originally Posted by TF110

I dont get what youre talking about. Hpd are going to show the new car soon. So it exists and will be available. It will not have a hybrid system in 2014 so it will be less weight.

I bolded some part of your quote, that may have been confusing but you were talking about Rebellion & Lola.

[TF110]

Originally Posted by deggis

I bolded some part of your quote, that may have been confusing but you were talking about Rebellion & Lola.

I was only making a relation statement. Another user said Strakka shouldn't use the 2014 car and keep the current hpd. I said that would be like Rebellion keeping the lola. Not that the lola or current Hpd car will be less weight etc. The difference is the new car is developed for these rules unlike the cars theyre running now.

[FstrthnU]

http://www.racer.com/pickett-intrigu...rticle/309697/
Greg Pickett confirms that his negotiations with HPD to run the 2014 LMP1 fell through. So Strakka is the only semi-confirmed team so far.

[TF110]

Basically confirming he will go to Indy Car. Blah, thats sad.

[broadrun96]

Racer magazine's report for today made it sound like he was enjoying the Indy experience and might be considering a sportscar break.

[avvelenamento]

Such a shame. MM is the only lmp1 private team that can beat rebellion #12 in a fierce battle.

[TF110]

Originally Posted by avvelenamento

Such a shame. MM is the only lmp1 private team that can beat rebellion #12 in a fierce battle.

On mostly familiar tracks to MMilk. And Strakka beat them at LeMans this year

[Christian Mogami]

Greg Pickett doesn't want to race in Europe and he doesn't like NASCAR rules and leadership but he would race the HPD ARX-04A if HPD paid the bills.

HPD wasn't going to pay the bills so here comes Muscle Milk Indy!

They might also do all the WEC races in the US next year with their ARX-03 if it doesn't clash with the Indy schedule.

[avvelenamento]

beat them? both rebellion lola crashed and spent hours to be repaired... at 17th hour of race rebellion #13 was 3 laps ahead strakka hpd.

[TF110]

A win is a win. They beat them before then as well. So Rebellion is not only beatable by MMilk, thats the point.

[avvelenamento]

Originally Posted by Christian Mogami

Greg Pickett doesn't want to race in Europe and he doesn't like NASCAR rules and leadership but he would race the HPD ARX-04A if HPD paid the bills.

HPD wasn't going to pay the bills so here comes Muscle Milk Indy!

They might also do all the WEC races in the US next year with their ARX-03 if it doesn't clash with the Indy schedule.

Do they own the arx-03a-c or is just leased? If is owned, at the end of this season they could sell the chassis just to a collector.

[Christian Mogami]

They own it

[avvelenamento]

Originally Posted by TF110

A win is a win. They beat them before then as well. So Rebellion is not only beatable by MMilk, thats the point.

To beat means to be more competitive, win because of enemy retirment is always a victory but doesn't mean to beat

[David Land]

Originally Posted by TF110

Basically confirming he will go to Indy Car. Blah, thats sad.

Blame the USCR management for that.

[deggis]

DP/P2 was mentioned in that article. Almost feels like some rather see MM go IndyCar than DP/P2 so that they won't lose their main playing card against USCR?

[TF110]

Originally Posted by avvelenamento

To beat means to be more competitive, win because of enemy retirment is always a victory but doesn't mean to beat

They are not enemies. And Strakka has beaten Rebellion before on merit. Were done with this.

Originally Posted by deggis

DP/P2 was mentioned in that article. Almost feels like some rather see MM go IndyCar than DP/P2 so that they won't lose their main playing card against USCR?

I think its more seeing their reality not rather see them in Indycar.

[avvelenamento]

enemy, competitor, rival... you know what I mean. And again strakka won, but didn't really beat his competitor because lola rebellion were a lot faster. 2010 LM audi lmp1, saleen gt1 and porsche gt2 "underdog" wins have been achieved in the same way. None is saying that strakka didn't deserve to win, but they simply could not win against rebellion if both lola didn't crash. Simple. Different points of view, but I guess is done with this.

[Richard117]

Originally Posted by avvelenamento

enemy, competitor, rival... you know what I mean. And again strakka won, but didn't really beat his competitor because lola rebellion were a lot faster. 2010 LM audi lmp1, saleen gt1 and porsche gt2 "underdog" wins have been achieved in the same way. None is saying that strakka didn't deserve to win, but they simply could not win against rebellion if both lola didn't crash. Simple. Different points of view, but I guess is done with this.

To finish first, you first have to finish

Racing is not about being fast in a certain period, it's about being the one who is the fastest over the full race distance.

[Fogelhund]

I think the point here is that the previous HPD was slower than the Lola/Toyota combination on outright speed. This despite the Lola being nearly half the price. I'm not saying anything about wins, teams or anything else, but purely on outright pace, the Lola has been the quicker car.

[avvelenamento]

Originally Posted by Richard117

To finish first, you first have to finish

Racing is not about being fast in a certain period, it's about being the one who is the fastest over the full race distance.

Not always the winner is the one who has been the fastest one during the full race distance. Reliability is a key factor. Watch LM2010 and you will see, peugeot domination for hours but audi with a 3-5 seconds slower car won the race because better reliability. Spa 24H 2010 is another great example, AF Corse 430 GT2 and BMW M3 were the fastest cars, but BMS 997 GT3RSR won the race, far from being the fastest car in grid. Endurance is magic because victory is give in my opinion by 50% from performace, 35% from reliability, 15% from luck! you can win also being slower without facing stronger rivals during the race. Basicly is what happened to strakka racing this year, slower than both lola rebellion but anyway they won the "lmp1 private sub-class" as consequence of both lola rebellion crashes.

[Fogelhund]

Originally Posted by avvelenamento

. Basicly is what happened to strakka racing this year, slower than both lola rebellion but anyway they won the "lmp1 private sub-class" as consequence of both lola rebellion crashes.

Let us ask, if you are looking at buying a new chassis, from someone charging nearly double the other options, and it's wins were achieved by crashes from it's faster competitor... how appealing is it to go in that direction?

[avvelenamento]

Sincerly I don't think this is the point for 3 reasons.
1 crashes are common during races, also strakka could have a collision and retire after that.
2 quality of the team, MM with the same strakka package defeated twice rebellion. If Strakka racing is not as competive as MM with the same package, you have to blame the team not the car.
2,5 Sincerly I don't know the price of an arx-03a-c and the price of the lola b12/60 + engine. Each team is free to choice the car they wish, paying the price that is required. Both cars are the best private lmp1 available so far... for sure I would like to buy an arx-03c or a lola b12/60 than to purchase an oak 01 lmp1.

[Fogelhund]

Originally Posted by avvelenamento

Sincerly I don't think this is the point for 3 reasons.
1 crashes are common during races, also strakka could have a collision and retire after that.
2 quality of the team, MM with the same strakka package defeated twice rebellion. If Strakka racing is not as competive as MM with the same package, you have to blame the team not the car.
2,5 Sincerly I don't know the price of an arx-03a-c and the price of the lola b12/60 + engine. Each team is free to choice the car they wish, paying the price that is required. Both cars are the best private lmp1 available so far... for sure I would like to buy an arx-03c or a lola b12/60 than to purchase an oak 01 lmp1.

1. Crashes, team mistakes are irrelevant when talking about overall speed of a chassis.
2. Team doesn't matter so much, as Rebellion have shown to have speed over both MM and Strakka.
3. HPD ARX-03C is $2.5 million, Lola B12/6X is $1.1 million with the Mazda engine, tack on a bit more for the Toyota, but we are still around half the price.

I just haven't seen the value in the extra $1.25 million +.