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The WEC is ACO and FIA's product, Bahrain wants to buy it at $X, PLM cannot afford the same price (apparently), ACO sold it to Bahrain. End of story. I am not saying Bahrain is good or bad, PLM is good or bad or ACO/FIA is good or bad. But I cannot associate the act of selling a race to the highest bidder as corruption. I myself would go off to a new job if someone offered me a higher salary, am I corrupt? |
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Then, of course, there are the Saudis and perhaps other countries where women are not allowed to drive. Granted, there may not be a lot of women in the gearhead community, but car marketing may be more limited to those people. If there is any good news, I think Bahrain is more "progressive" toward driving rights than their Saudi neighbors. At least I think that is true based off memory. |
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Asa, I'm well aware of the FIA's track grading system. If I'm not mistaken though, FIA WTCC requires a Grade 3 circuit, so Macau can't be licensed as Grade 4 if that's the case.
Also, you don't apparently follow the F1 section that closely, as there is PLENTY of complaining and accusing that goes on with respect to Bernie and his dealings with various regimes. And I might call your actions corrupt if said better-paying job wasn't something you were any good at or anything that you cared about as far as the work itself. |
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I just hope that ACO will do the right thing by sharing at least 50% of the money it gets from Bahrain with the teams, especially the privateers. |
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Peugeot, GM, Nissan, Honda and Toyota are pretty big all over Mexico and at least in Mexico City, Audi and BMW have a big presence. A race down here would probably get good attendance as long as it included Adrian Fernandez and was marketed right. Now, the Hermanos Rodriguez track I don't know if it's fit for LMPs in it's current state but the old WSC raced there in the past and there's been talks in local newspapers about modernizing the track in order to get F1 back to Mexico so I guess a WEC race is possible but not for a couple of years atleast. |
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I honestly don't really care where Bernie takes F1 to. For that matter, I don't really think anyone here care if the WEC goes to Bahrain or not, if not for the matter that the date clashes with PLM. How could you even tell if I was good at my new job if I hadn't even started at it? I might need months or a year to learn the job. People get sacked everyday for doing their jobs badly or wrongly, so these are all corrupt cases? |
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I disagree with you there. The Bahrain FIA rumor came up a few months ago and then faded away. It wasn't popular then and certainly the racing community had feelings about F1 going there earlier this year. It wasn't a sports car issue at the time so it wasn't discussed here specifically, but the arguments stay the same. Having said that, the date clash means a lot and so, yes, that specifically has caused a ****storm to say the least. It's not the only thing though. |
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No, and I used the word "might".
I have no problem acknowledging that some jobs take time to learn. That's fine by me. I was meaning the part about just taking the job for the better pay. You may have a good record and theoretical qualifications, but you may not be suited to some jobs based on your personality, specialization, or other factors. Some of these things would make it evident that you were a bad choice for a position before you'd even started. For one, if you're too detail-oriented, managing a larger group is probably a bad idea, because you will have too much of a tendency to get bogged down by little things. So, you end up not really doing your job of managing, and trying to do the work of your subordinates for them as well. There is also a phenomenon that has led to a lot of problems in business. It is the "promotion to level of greatest incompetence" phenomenon. Basically, you get promoted initially by your good performance at a lower level, but then promotions continue, for whatever reason, with little if any regard for your ability in these higher positions. Much of the time, this is simply due to higher-level management not having a clue about most of their personnel, and thus making dumb decisions. If this happens because a person is cozy with management though, then, it graduates from mere negligence to outright corruption. FIA-specific classes take higher track-grade certification than other categories. FIA GT1, GT2, and GT3 are rated as needing a higher level of certification than ACO GT1, GT2, and GT3. So, don't assume just because it fits in one general category that that's the whole story. Heck, FIA GT1 and GT2 at least were listed as needing a higher track-grade certification than ACO LMP1 and LMP2. I do care where F1 races in that there are places I definitely want to see them race, and I don't want to lose those events. Also, I'm not big on Tilke-designed circuits in general, which means I'm not a massive fan of most of the new/revised circuits of the past 12 years or so. Last edited by Purist; 7 Dec 2011 at 06:58. |
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Looks like the date of Bahrain has been moved afterall. Now clashes with Abu Dhabi.
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The 2012 calendar is confirmed as follows:17/03 USA 12 Hours of Sebring Sebring*
05/05 BEL 6 Heures de Spa‐Francorchamps Spa‐Francorchamps* 16-17/06 FRA 24 Heures du Mans Le Mans 25/08 GBR 6 Hours of Silverstone Silverstone* 15/09 BRA 6 Hours of Sao Paulo Interlagos 29/09 BHR 6 Hours of Bahrain Sakhir 14/10 JPN 6 Hours of Fuji Mount‐Fuji TBA (Nov) CHN 6 Hours of TBA TBA* http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre...sc-071211.aspx Oddly enough, making Petit right after Fuji might make it more difficult for Toyota to come to Petit if they wanted to under the previous calendar. Still, I think it is an improvement. I'd have to look at it further. EDIT: Any chance that China will conflict with Petit? |
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I honestly think it was always unlikely that the big teams would do both. But what this does allow is for drivers to make the trips for both, as well as both receiving the coverage they deserve.
Hopefully this can put an end to a lot of the repeated whinging now. But it does make a mockery of the initial excuse that there could only be one date at Bahrain. |
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I'd hope not. China is earmarked for November anyway on that calendar.
EDIT: Some interesting details... for Le Mans only, if manufacturers enter 3 cars, all three are allowed to score points, for all the other rounds only the top two score. Also other one-off entries are allowed "if they bring interest to the championship" and conform to the tech regulations, they'll be classified in the races, but they cannot score points. Last edited by Victor_RO; 7 Dec 2011 at 12:36. |
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It is nice to see the rules changed to allow 3rd cars, no more hiding a car with a slightly different team name. I also like the scoring of the 3rd car for Le Mans.
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Regarding the schedule, which I haven't been paying much attention to, it seems to me that they may have just killed PLM....
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