Just read Irish Rallycross Regs 08 09 (merged)

[willie]

just read rallycross regs 08 09 and read this part EVENT AWARDS
The following are the awards to be presented at an event, 1st, 2nd & 3rd in A finals and Superfinal. Class awards will not be awarded at events, except for Rallycars.
I dont know about anyboby else , but if you have come 1" 2" 3" in your class on a days racing its rewarding to take home a trophy regardless of how small.
Reading your points on a score sheet not the same. score sheets dont stand up on your mantelpiece. We spend a lot of time and money on cars and dont get prize money, so a small trophey is not to ask for ..

[tkiwan]

Sure if its like that, Officals & Marshels dont get awards or prize money. You could always sell the car and fill the mantle with trophys. it still works out 21 prizes with our entries at moment that is still 1 person in 3 taken home something. if you look at racing that goes out to 1 in 9 with a higher entry fee.

[MagnetON]

Are the regs / dates available for download anywhere?

[tkiwan]

They will be on thr M.I. site soon but if you PM me an address I can send them on E-MAIL.

[The Fiddler]

willie what class are you in? how long are you racing. this has been in the regs for the last year. surely you would have read it in the regs last year or not as it seems to be.

[willie]

Racing since 2001 , but only one event last year , i take tkirwin point about the officals and marchels, In 2001 there was awards for all classes at £100 event entry... so what changed

[MagnetON]

Originally Posted by willie

In 2001 there was awards for all classes at £100 event entry... so what changed

7 years of economic inflation. My house price doubled in less time!

[EvilPumpkin]

Can I assume that if entry fees were raised to cover the prizes, you'd be objecting......?

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by EvilPumpkin

Can I assume that if entry fees were raised to cover the prizes, you'd be objecting......?

Many do sadly, in all forms of racing. There is a certain satisfaction in taking a pot home, but if you're long in the tooth as me then you generally find the bathroom shelf is already full of them!

[MagnetON]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Many do sadly, in all forms of racing. There is a certain satisfaction in taking a pot home, but if you're long in the tooth as me then you generally find the bathroom shelf is already full of them!

Only so many times you can look at 3rd without getting depressed????

[willie]

Originally Posted by EvilPumpkin

Can I assume that if entry fees were raised to cover the prizes, you'd be objecting......?

Thats the point, the awards were dropped last year and the fee still went up ...

[EvilPumpkin]

Originally Posted by willie

Thats the point, the awards were dropped last year and the fee still went up ...

Fees go up every year - it's called inflation.

Did it go up so much that you feel the prizes should have been covered by the additional charges? Or is it more likely that the fees didn't go up as much as they would have done, because the prizes were removed?

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by MagnetON

Only so many times you can look at 3rd without getting depressed????

Ooh good point. I'll see if I've got one of those.

[tkiwan]

Look in the MI Yearbook see the event charges & insurance. Then add circuit costs doctors for the day Ambulances & tow trucks all have to be paid these fees have gone up every year and have thake large jumps the last few. Also the rescue unit gets a fee but thats for the upkeep of the unit. Yes its that I word again nothing we use has dropped in price even trophies have gone up. Its the world we live in. Look at Fuel It cost a good bit more than 2002.

[The Fiddler]

tkiwan, would i be right in saying this would have been put to the drivers at one of the forums. if so why has it taken so long for one person to discover the rule change. looks like people just dont read their rule books.

[willie]

Originally Posted by tkiwan

Look in the MI Yearbook see the event charges & insurance. Then add circuit costs doctors for the day Ambulances & tow trucks all have to be paid these fees have gone up every year and have thake large jumps the last few. Also the rescue unit gets a fee but thats for the upkeep of the unit. Yes its that I word again nothing we use has dropped in price even trophies have gone up. Its the world we live in. Look at Fuel It cost a good bit more than 2002.

Thank you for that explaination of where the the fee goes , Inflation, Inflation ,inflation , By the way i did read the regs from 07/08 , Just though I would bring it up this year to see what the general feeling was about this subject , since its introduction last year.

[tkiwan]

Willie this is a month or so before the season starts, the Regs are approved by all the M I committies it is a bit late to question the rules for this season they cannot change now not enough time. My advice is contact some one with your suggestions before January when the 2010 rules work will start.

[willie]

thanks tkiwan .. will do so.. there is no harm in discussing it and seening if there is much interest in the subject, have to do some thing to keep busy till oct.. its either this or look at the rain

[murf]

hi all,some new regs are planned for our new season,one of them is to only give out A final awards,if you ask me i think if you make a final and finish 1st 2nd or 3rd you should recieve something,all of us spend a lot of time and effort getting cars ready,i dont think its too much to ask

[The Fiddler]

having read the regs, part of me is disappointed but then what about the events when we dont have good entry and you end up handing out as many awards as there is competitors. why not contact the driver rep and ask him to explain why this decision was made.

[sfay]

i think that awards should be given to 1st 2nd 3rd in all finals raced
you win or come placed in a final that you make then you should be rewarded for it

why spend your hard earned money racing and doing your car and get nothing back if you can not make an A final and have no chance of getting an award

[mike coyne]

Scott- Damo says get knotted. And thats putting it nicely. Only passing on the message so don't shoot me. Anne

[tkiwan]

murf the regs are not planned these are law. They were written and passed months ago. This was all discussed in an earlyer post. Its motorsport 'sport' taking part and all that seems to be lost. Personaly I never got a trophy at an event. But I did make friends and had fun if you dont enjoy rallycross if you dont get a trophy why go just buy a few its cheeper than running a car. If you race you could be up again 30 others for 3 prizes and a higher entry fee. in rallycross we get 70 to 75 entries on a good day and give out 24 prizes still do the maths thats still good odds 1 in 3 say to 1 in 10 racing. Every body cannot take home a prize. Time to get real lads no entry fee increase yet costs keep going up to run an event.

[R-SPORT]

Originally Posted by sfay

i think that awards should be given to 1st 2nd 3rd in all finals raced
you win or come placed in a final that you make then you should be rewarded for it

why spend your hard earned money racing and doing your car and get nothing back if you can not make an A final and have no chance of getting an award

The problem with such a system is why should the First three Drivers in the C Final get a prize and the Driver who finishes 4th in the B gets nothing even thought he finished ahead in the standings overall?

I think more prizes do need to be given out to Stock Hatch Drivers considering the size of the grids compared to other classes. But simply throwing pots at everyone is not the way forward. A Drive of the Day/ most improved drive just for stock hatch and maybe top Rookie for those only doing rallycross for less than two years would be a better way to approach handing out pots lower down the grids.

[MagnetON]

Originally Posted by R-SPORT

A Drive of the Day/ most improved drive just for stock hatch and maybe top Rookie for those only doing rallycross for less than two years would be a better way to approach handing out pots lower down the grids.

Problem with Drive of the Day is that it's highly subjective and who would judge it? A Top Rookie of the Day is a good idea though.