USCC (leave your axe outside)

[Canada ALMS fan]

Originally Posted by BullMan

Action Express was one of the NASCAR-funded teams, and in their first race they go out and win the Daytona 24. Whoops.

And a car that was found post-race to be under weight to boot.

[Lanky Turtle]

Originally Posted by Canada ALMS fan

And a car that was found post-race to be under weight to boot.

I believe that was when Brumos won the year before that the car was penalized for underweight.

[Lanky Turtle]

Originally Posted by skycafe

You answered yourself there-"the sob on their phone"

It isn't on the DIS website (I looked and public note, I don't have a hidden agenda), so I think it is like tests, not publicized to avoid crowds showing up and being turned away. These aren't general admission events, which allows a much lower insurance cover and also reduces payroll costs by not having spectator handling staff. I don't think the track informs about who is testing when that occurs.

Unless things have recently changed, a small section of the grandstands is open everyday for visitors to look at the track or watch whatever testing is going on.

[TF110]

Originally Posted by BullMan

If they're on the Conti rocks they would probably be behind most of the GTE cars.

Thats what I said before Continental tires + amatuer drivers = behind GTE. Look at the alms teams' cars at LeMans this year with their tire struggles compared to the WEC teams. They make a world of difference!

[skycafe]

Originally Posted by Lanky Turtle

Unless things have recently changed, a small section of the grandstands is open everyday for visitors to look at the track or watch whatever testing is going on.

yes, the grandstand at Daytona USA, but that is hardly general admission like infield access would be.

[jeast]

Originally Posted by Lanky Turtle

Unless things have recently changed, a small section of the grandstands is open everyday for visitors to look at the track or watch whatever testing is going on.

Yeah Idk its all under construction now.

[FstrthnU]

http://speedblog.speed.com/speed/spo...-jens-walther/

Mr. Walther says that GTD cars will probably be much slower than this year due to the influx of GTLM. However, he also says that there's so many changes that the 997 GT3 Cup cannot be used anymore in GTD (and IMSA has chosen to not accept the 997 GT3.R since it's too close to GTLM).

Walther thinks that the 911 GT America will be cheaper than the current GTD Porsche since it comes from the factory with the 4.0L engine rather than teams trying to shoehorn it in on their own. More standardization and fewer custom parts.

The factory 911 RSRs will not be available in 2014-spec for testing till after WEC Bahrain. So testing will probably begin in December.

[Beetle]

Originally Posted by FstrthnU

http://speedblog.speed.com/speed/spo...-jens-walther/

Mr. Walther says that GTD cars will probably be much slower than this year due to the influx of GTLM.

That's a dagger in the heart for me. GTD is already slow enough anyway... the Ferrari 458s and Audi R8s among others are significantly slower in GTD spec than the original car already! PLEASE, only five MPH slower, no more than that.



Hopefully if GTD turns into some sort of Touring Car category years down the road people will eventually find out that GTLM is the way to go.

[Mike Hedlund]

I've been saying it all year, GTC is already to slow versus GTE. We're in the way everywhere, including the straights where we out drag the GTE cars.. it's ******* ridiculous.

So the solution is to have all the competitors pay MORE and go even SLOWER.

It's just about the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

edit: as related to the schedule in the topic at hand, count me out of GTD.

-mike

[FstrthnU]

http://sportscar365.com/alms/negri-r...petit-le-mans/

A little tidbit here, it says that PC could be slower than GTLM next year since it looks like the PC engine will be getting a smaller restrictor (while GTLM will be untouched). Enzo Pottolichio has decided to delay his purchase of PC cars until the ruleset is more finished.

[Breitling24]

Originally Posted by FstrthnU

http://sportscar365.com/alms/negri-r...petit-le-mans/

A little tidbit here, it says that PC could be slower than GTLM next year since it looks like the PC engine will be getting a smaller restrictor (while GTLM will be untouched). Enzo Pottolichio has decided to delay his purchase of PC cars until the ruleset is more finished.

Well, that's one way to phase out PC's.

[Ginaro Zukovsky]

There's at least 2-3s gap between the slowest PC and fastest GTE cars looking at the qualifying times on the tracks that will be run next season. To make them slower than all of the GTE cars would be insane - you'd need them to lose at least 6-10s and then they'd have zero straightline speed.

The only reason to slightly nerf the PCs is if the DPs are having problems speeding up...

[smcorolla]

Originally Posted by Mike Hedlund

I've been saying it all year, GTC is already to slow versus GTE. We're in the way everywhere, including the straights where we out drag the GTE cars.. it's ******* ridiculous.

So the solution is to have all the competitors pay MORE and go even SLOWER.

It's just about the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

edit: as related to the schedule in the topic at hand, count me out of GTD.

-mike

I don't understand this at all. Why would GTC/D need to be slowed? Aren't GT3 cars eligible (sans spec wing) they certainly aren't slower than current GTC? Hate to hear a driver say he wants no part. No formal announcement has been made so I'm not jumping ship yet but hope this isn't true.

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by FstrthnU

http://sportscar365.com/alms/negri-r...petit-le-mans/

A little tidbit here, it says that PC could be slower than GTLM next year since it looks like the PC engine will be getting a smaller restrictor (while GTLM will be untouched). Enzo Pottolichio has decided to delay his purchase of PC cars until the ruleset is more finished.

I'll believe it when I see it! A smidge may be taken back to adjusted some of the gain from the tire change, but I do not see them being dragged back to the GTLMs much less behind them.




L.P.

[Beetle]

Originally Posted by Mike Hedlund

I've been saying it all year, GTC is already to slow versus GTE. We're in the way everywhere, including the straights where we out drag the GTE cars.. it's ******* ridiculous.

So the solution is to have all the competitors pay MORE and go even SLOWER.

It's just about the dumbest thing I've ever seen.

edit: as related to the schedule in the topic at hand, count me out of GTD.

-mike

Originally Posted by FstrthnU

http://sportscar365.com/alms/negri-r...petit-le-mans/

A little tidbit here, it says that PC could be slower than GTLM next year since it looks like the PC engine will be getting a smaller restrictor (while GTLM will be untouched). Enzo Pottolichio has decided to delay his purchase of PC cars until the ruleset is more finished.

Originally Posted by Breitling24

Well, that's one way to phase out PC's.

Originally Posted by Ginaro Zukovsky

There's at least 2-3s gap between the slowest PC and fastest GTE cars looking at the qualifying times on the tracks that will be run next season. To make them slower than all of the GTE cars would be insane - you'd need them to lose at least 6-10s and then they'd have zero straightline speed.

The only reason to slightly nerf the PCs is if the DPs are having problems speeding up...

For the first time in a while, I feel complete disaster is looming on the USCC horizon because of simple, unforced lapses in judgment. Slower GTD and GTLM faster than PC?

[jasonjessica09]

Slowing down LMPC eh? I mentioned this topic last week and there were some who agreed, but disagreed as well that this would be a possibility. Yes its prototype but it is a spec class and pro am. So if they need to be slowed down some then that's ok with me. The LMPC folks should worry about racing each other and not worry about the rest of the field. If the LMPC teams don't like it then go get a Daytona Prototype. GTLM cars are fast, professional, and high profile. Just like Leo says on his Shakedown last week they should have a shot at overall victory too. At least an outside shot. It should be doable I think.

Also I don't know who that guy in the article about the Porsche GT3 America is but I just don't believe him about the slowing down part with GTD.

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by Beetle

For the first time in a while, I feel complete disaster is looming on the USCC horizon because of simple, unforced lapses in judgment. Slower GTD and GTLM faster than PC?

Really don't think it is time yet to get the knickers in a twist.








L.P.

[Fogelhund]

Originally Posted by jasonjessica09

Slowing down LMPC eh? I mentioned this topic last week and there were some who agreed, but disagreed as well that this would be a possibility. Yes its prototype but it is a spec class and pro am. So if they need to be slowed down some then that's ok with me. The LMPC folks should worry about racing each other and not worry about the rest of the field. If the LMPC teams don't like it then go get a Daytona Prototype. GTLM cars are fast, professional, and high profile. Just like Leo says on his Shakedown last week they should have a shot at overall victory too. At least an outside shot. It should be doable I think.

GTLM having a shot at overall victory is a fantasy, and isn't doable, or even close under current rules.

LMP-C needs to be at about current speed or close, or the entries will disappear. It was published by the most visible press guy covering the series. If it wasn't true, there would have been a retraction by now. They won't get a DP, or a LMP2... they want to race Pro-Am. Slower than GTLM is ridiculous, you'll see the category disappear quick.

Also I don't know who that guy in the article about the Porsche GT3 America is but I just don't believe him about the slowing down part with GTD.

That would be Porsche Motorsport North America's President, you might think he'd know. As I state earlier in this thread, separation was needed between the GT categories, and it will be done. I didn't think they would slow down GTD further though.

[Breitling24]

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[Breitling24]

Originally Posted by jasonjessica09

Also I don't know who that guy in the article about the Porsche GT3 America is but I just don't believe him about the slowing down part with GTD.

[Fogelhund]

Originally Posted by Fogelhund

GTLM having a shot at overall victory is a fantasy, and isn't doable, or even close under current rules.

LMP-C needs to be at about current speed or close, or the entries will disappear. They won't get a DP, or a LMP2... they want to race Pro-Am. Slower than GTLM is ridiculous, you'll see the category disappear quick.



That would be Porsche Motorsport North America's President, you might think he'd know. It was published by the most visible press guy covering the series. If it wasn't true, there would have been a retraction by now. As I state earlier in this thread, separation was needed between the GT categories, and it will be done. I didn't think they would slow down GTD further though.

I'm not certain how.. but my prior post was mixed up... this should have corrected it.

[xjb]

I read the article to suggest PC could be slowed to make it closer in speed to GTLM but still faster than GTLM. Here's the quote:

"Recent rumors have indicated a possible restrictor change for the 6.2-liter Chevy V8s that could result in a slowdown when compared to the GT Le Mans category, which is expected to remain unchanged."

Originally Posted by FstrthnU

http://sportscar365.com/alms/negri-r...petit-le-mans/

A little tidbit here, it says that PC could be slower than GTLM next year since it looks like the PC engine will be getting a smaller restrictor (while GTLM will be untouched). Enzo Pottolichio has decided to delay his purchase of PC cars until the ruleset is more finished.

[fanta4]

So, when was this announced?

The existing 911 GT3 Cup cars currently seen in GRAND-AM and in the ALMS will not be legal in USCC next year.

http://sportscar365.com/imsa/uscc/po...or-gt-america/

[Pandamasque]

PC cars already tend to get in the way of GTs. Why make the problem worse?

[Maelochs]

The only reason I can see to slow PC would be if DPs weren't gaining quite the speed people thought.

Unless ... TUSCC really thinks there will be too many quality entries and wants to thin the field.

Otherwise slowing Any of the existing classes is just asinine.