2014 British GT

[Biscuits In A Red Bull]

Okay, seeing as I seem to be far more informed than you guys when it comes to the single-seaters, BF3 isn't worth you're time unless you enjoy seeing mediocre drivers with big budgets (and Dan Wells, a good driver with a small budget) driving around Brands Hatch. There are likely to be 5 cars. Five. That's 2 full grid rows and a spare!

As for BRDC F4, the racing is generally really good. Last time out at Silverstone, all 3 races were decided by around 0.5s, with so many drivers in the mix. There are going to be 24 cars I think, and you should enjoy it.

As for the entry lists, I agree about the BGT website, and that it isn't that good when it comes to entry lists. I use the MSVR website (go into the Car Calendar section, you'll find the race meeting lower down) but the entry list for the weekend doesn't seem to be on there yet.

The end.

[Biscuits In A Red Bull]

The timetable:

http://www.msvracing.co.uk/media/361...ssue_three.pdf

[BertMk2]

Originally Posted by Biscuits In A Red Bull

Okay, seeing as I seem to be far more informed than you guys when it comes to the single-seaters, BF3 isn't worth you're time unless you enjoy seeing mediocre drivers with big budgets (and Dan Wells, a good driver with a small budget) driving around Brands Hatch. There are likely to be 5 cars. Five. That's 2 full grid rows and a spare!

Oh dear. I knew the numbers were low but I thought they had crept up from the start of the season. I guess not. Oh well, I'll grab a snooze during the F3 then!

Originally Posted by Biscuits In A Red Bull

As for BRDC F4, the racing is generally really good. Last time out at Silverstone, all 3 races were decided by around 0.5s, with so many drivers in the mix. There are going to be 24 cars I think, and you should enjoy it.

At least the grid is a decent size for the F4 - not sure how interesting it'll be though. The cars are just a bit 'meh' though aren't they? Not really big and shouty enough to hold the interest for long. I also don't think they've got the comedy value of the Palmer Audi stuff either - there were some fantastically inept drivers in that.

[Coach Ep]

Originally Posted by BertMk2

At least the grid is a decent size for the F4 - not sure how interesting it'll be though. The cars are just a bit 'meh' though aren't they? Not really big and shouty enough to hold the interest for long. I also don't think they've got the comedy value of the Palmer Audi stuff either - there were some fantastically inept drivers in that.

From what I've seen 2 years ago (on tellie, unfortunately not in real life...) the races were really entertaining (and you get to watch 3 of them!), lots of battles and close racing all race long, definitely worth a recommendation!

Btw, what is CoB?

[BertMk2]

Originally Posted by Coach Ep

Btw, what is CoB?

I think it's 'Champion of Brands' which had always been Formula Ford as far as I'm aware.

[Coach Ep]

Thx.

[Alfaholic]

Originally Posted by BertMk2

Is there an entrylist online anywhere for this? I had a look on the British GT website but couldn't find one for Brands.

Ask and you shall receive...

Full list for all races

[KA]

Originally Posted by BertMk2

Is there an entrylist online anywhere for this? I had a look on the British GT website but couldn't find one for Brands.

Entrylist still doesn't seem to be on the official site, but DSC now have it up:

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2014/0...h-entry-2.html

Biscuits covered the main changes in the entry for this one, but there are a few more- The Generation Bentley seems to be AWOL, and apart from running a third car for Hughes/Firth, Triple Eight have had a bit of a switcharound of drivers in their other two - Joe Osbourne swaps from #88 to partner Derek Johnstone in #888, while Ryan Ratcliffe steps up from the absent Optimum Ginetta in GT4 to share #88 with Lee Mowle.

In addition, Richard Abra/Mark Poole are obviously absent as White/Sharp are using their MP Motorsport Aston

The GPRM Toyota is back again as well, still as an 'Invitation' entry, so presumably the GT4 homologation isn't completed.

[Graham Goodwin]

And an ex champion returns in 2015 with a new team for the GTC class - Tommy Erdos and Euospares Racing - Both cars should be on display this weekend at Brand Hatch

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2014/0...p-in-2015.html

[Speed-King]

I fail to see how an oversubscribed series like British GT needs a new class, but maybe that's just me.

[Graham Goodwin]

Because if you can attract a sensibly size GTC class you get a standalone race for GT4 - and therefore a support package with more depth and relevance.

[Speed-King]

I'm not sure you're doing GT4 any favors with that, though... They'd presumably not be part of the announced live broadcasts for next year and don't have too much in the way of strength in numbers as it stands.

Do 10 GT4s really make for an attractive support race?

[BertMk2]

Originally Posted by Alfaholic

Ask and you shall receive...

Full list for all races

Thanks!

Should be some good racing (apart from the F3 and Formula Fords). Hope it stays dry on Sunday now

[Biscuits In A Red Bull]

GT4 combined with the Aston V8 field should mean a decent grid and the majority of them in good looking cars

But yes, it would likely mean less coverage for GT4. But the GT3s are the main attraction to the sport and SRO know that. It's a compromise that they are willing to make - a larger GT3 field at the expense (coverage wise) of the GT4s, but coverage is the only downside I can see for the GT4s...

[Andy 308GTB]

Originally Posted by Biscuits In A Red Bull

GT4 combined with the Aston V8 field should mean a decent grid and the majority of them in good looking cars

But yes, it would likely mean less coverage for GT4. But the GT3s are the main attraction to the sport and SRO know that. It's a compromise that they are willing to make - a larger GT3 field at the expense (coverage wise) of the GT4s, but coverage is the only downside I can see for the GT4s...

The GT4 boys already feel like the poor relation, the current TV coverage only gives them a fleeting mention usually.
If a separate GT4 series was created and SRO made it attractive to entrants such that it had a full grid, it would probably warrant its own TV slot.
Win Win...

[Biscuits In A Red Bull]

Maybe it could at least a mention in the main event coverage. They can show brief highlights or something. I've always thought that, when the BBC show an F1 event live, they give a brief overview of the 2 GP2 races in that pointless 1 hour build-up rather than desperately interview a clueless celebrity on the grid!

[BertMk2]

Originally Posted by Andy 308GTB

The GT4 boys already feel like the poor relation, the current TV coverage only gives them a fleeting mention usually.
If a separate GT4 series was created and SRO made it attractive to entrants such that it had a full grid, it would probably warrant its own TV slot.
Win Win...

It also means that F3 can be jettisoned completely from the package and you've got something decent to slot into the timetable instead.

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by Biscuits In A Red Bull

GT4 combined with the Aston V8 field should mean a decent grid and the majority of them in good looking cars

Is that a firm plan or just speculation?

[cg7aa]

Originally Posted by Coach Ep

From what I've seen 2 years ago (on tellie, unfortunately not in real life...) the races were really entertaining (and you get to watch 3 of them!), lots of battles and close racing all race long, definitely worth a recommendation!

Btw, what is CoB?

My sentiments exactly, I think the series is a real gem in terms of the racing it seems to produce. Well worth watching. I'll watch this anyday over a lot of single seater racing irrespective of formulae.

Anyway, I was hoping to be at Brands this weekend but prior commitments means I can't. I'll aim for Donington.

[Andy 308GTB]

Originally Posted by BertMk2

It also means that F3 can be jettisoned completely from the package and you've got something decent to slot into the timetable instead.

I'd like to think that British F3 could be revived - it was a good series up until 2 or 3 years ago (happy to be corrected on the number of years) with full grids for the International and National sub series. However, it's demise is discussed elsewhere & as it stands it looks like a lost cause.

No big Mercedes this weekend? The one I'm thinking of was run by one of the F3 teams (Carlin/Fortec?)

[BertMk2]

Originally Posted by Andy 308GTB

I'd like to think that British F3 could be revived - it was a good series up until 2 or 3 years ago (happy to be corrected on the number of years) with full grids for the International and National sub series. However, it's demise is discussed elsewhere & as it stands it looks like a lost cause.

Have to admit I'm not a huge single seater fan anyway so the loss of F3 is no big deal to me (F3 or F4 - one is plenty on the package thanks).

Originally Posted by Andy 308GTB

No big Mercedes this weekend? The one I'm thinking of was run by one of the F3 teams (Carlin/Fortec?)

I think it's Fortec - and I believe they're running in the Blancpain championship this year. Whilst the Merc was good for a bit more variety on the grid it wasn't the best sounding car (although I seem to be in the minority with that view!). I'm looking forward to seeing / hearing the Bentley in the flesh.

[Graham Goodwin]

Generation Bentley have pulled out of the Championship

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2014/0...programme.html

[Biscuits In A Red Bull]

Yes, BF3 was very good in 2011 and still a credible series in 2012, but since has faded, and is hardly being helped by Gerhard Berger's and his vision. Fortec did run the Mercs and they are in the Blancpain series.

[rich07]

Originally Posted by Graham Goodwin

Generation Bentley have pulled out of the Championship



http://www.dailysportscar.com/2014/0...programme.html

Wow that's a sudden change of heart. And for the first Bentley customer team too. When I first saw the headline I just assumed it was about money-as it normally is

[BertMk2]

Originally Posted by rich07

Wow that's a sudden change of heart. And for the first Bentley customer team too. When I first saw the headline I just assumed it was about money-as it normally is

It's toys out of pram - much like United Autosports and their McLarens.