Northern Saloons and Sportscars

[righthooker]

so are the dates on the nsscc site now confirmed and up to date???
2 trips to scotland ect ??

[big andy]

Originally Posted by righthooker

so are the dates on the nsscc site now confirmed and up to date???
2 trips to scotland ect ??

talking to terry wright and he says not prob a oulton in April and only two rounds at knockhill

[the youth]

1/2 10th May/11th May Croft Circuit
3/4 24th May Knockhill
5/6 25th May Knockhill Reverse
7/8 8th Jun Donington Park
9/10 19th Jul/20th Jul Croft Circuit
11/12 30th Aug/31st Aug Cadwell Park
13/14 20th Sep/21st Sep Croft Circuit


This is what's on the DDMC site now it seems to have been updated

steve

[righthooker]

About time it was confirmed I'm thinking I may do boss Ste

[big andy]

Steve there not the right ones ? It starts in Aprial at oulton park

[migliacars]

1.5 Championship Rounds
The Northern Saloon & Sports Car Championship will be contested over 14 rounds as follows:

Date Organising Club Circuit

21st April (DH) MSVR Oulton Park
10th / 11th May (DH) D&DMC Croft
24th May KMSC Knockhill
25th May KMSC Knockhill (reverse direction)
8
th June (DH) MSCC Donington Park
19th / 20th July (DH) BARC Croft
30th / 31st August (DH) BARC Cadwell Park
20th / 21st September (DH) BARC Croft

[the youth]

Originally Posted by big andy

Steve there not the right ones ? It starts in Aprial at oulton park

Thing is that's what was on the site at the time and had changed from prsvious as the knockhill round in August had gone, least its sorted now

Originally Posted by migliacars

1.5 Championship Rounds
The Northern Saloon & Sports Car Championship will be contested over 14 rounds as follows:

Date Organising Club Circuit

21st April (DH) MSVR Oulton Park
10th / 11th May (DH) D&DMC Croft
24th May KMSC Knockhill
25th May KMSC Knockhill (reverse direction)
8
th June (DH) MSCC Donington Park
19th / 20th July (DH) BARC Croft
30th / 31st August (DH) BARC Cadwell Park
20th / 21st September (DH) BARC Croft

looking forward to it, especially Oulton park and knockhill backwards could be fun

steve

[righthooker]

anyone doing the test day on the 4th april ??

[righthooker]

3rd I meant

[Westysprinter]

Personally I would rather spend that amount of money on a race entry and will be on my way to Rockingham for the first of the BARC "Sevens" series races

[big andy]

Testing before the start of the season is a must going straight to a race is madness especially if the cars had work over the winter

[the youth]

I agree andy I've just never been able to, hope to god I can get mine sorted and tested first this year

steve

[Al Weyman]

Wrong place sorry

[Westysprinter]

My cars road legal, plenty of opportunity for testing. However I would never build a 450BHP engine without mapping!

[the youth]

Originally Posted by Westysprinter

My cars road legal, plenty of opportunity for testing. However I would never build a 450BHP engine without mapping!

yes on the road you can set it up run it in etc but its difficult to push it,
I just want to be able to drive mine lol
as for mapping
The YB cosworth on an original webber marrelli ecu can to a certain power level work fine with a correctly specced chip, I've had cosworths for 18 years now and never once had a live map!
95% of cosworths have not been live mapped!
above 450 yes mapping starts to get important but an off the shelf correctly specified chip is fine..

chip goes in, it goes on the rollers and the fueling/boost map is checked throughout the boost /rev range, the fuelling can be changed on the rollers to see if there is more power but once off the rollers the chip stays the same its a sort of piggy back set up on the rollers.
last time on the rollers the operator (a cosworth specialist for 20 years) found no more power than the chip fitted.
It is not a case of modifying the engine spec and not using a specific chip for the job..

Its a bit like the olden days a standard engine was fine, blue print it and you could get slightly more power, there was nothing wrong with the original set up but personalising it could give slightly more power
To get 450 out of a yb all you do is, correctly port cylinder head, fit a t38 turbo, siemans 83lbs injectors,different inlet cam, big intercooler, 3 bar map sensor, and a chip to suit
that's it from 220 bhp to 450, not a massively big spec is it!

steve

[big andy]

Originally Posted by the youth

yes on the road you can set it up run it in etc but its difficult to push it,
I just want to be able to drive mine lol
as for mapping
The YB cosworth on an original webber marrelli ecu can to a certain power level work fine with a correctly specced chip, I've had cosworths for 18 years now and never once had a live map!
95% of cosworths have not been live mapped!
above 450 yes mapping starts to get important but an off the shelf correctly specified chip is fine..

chip goes in, it goes on the rollers and the fueling/boost map is checked throughout the boost /rev range, the fuelling can be changed on the rollers to see if there is more power but once off the rollers the chip stays the same its a sort of piggy back set up on the rollers.
last time on the rollers the operator (a cosworth specialist for 20 years) found no more power than the chip fitted.
It is not a case of modifying the engine spec and not using a specific chip for the job..

Its a bit like the olden days a standard engine was fine, blue print it and you could get slightly more power, there was nothing wrong with the original set up but personalising it could give slightly more power
To get 450 out of a yb all you do is, correctly port cylinder head, fit a t38 turbo, siemans 83lbs injectors,different inlet cam, big intercooler, 3 bar map sensor, and a chip to suit
that's it from 220 bhp to 450, not a massively big spec is it!

steve

what !! to get a "reliable" 450bhp out of a yb in my exp takes more than that steve .just under 28psi new pistons ,rods ,cams massive cooling rads etc 15k .

agree you will get 450bhp but its old tecn your using loads of lag and a very small power band

[the youth]

Originally Posted by big andy

what !! to get a "reliable" 450bhp out of a yb in my exp takes more than that steve .just under 28psi new pistons ,rods ,cams massive cooling rads etc 15k .

agree you will get 450bhp but its old tecn your using loads of lag and a very small power band

that's basically the same spec as jims rs200 ( he had low comp pistons) that engine had no issues running that power, rods and pistons don't need changing pistons need valve cut outs in that's all
jim was running 34psi peak and the only turbo issue he had was when it sucked the foam air filter in!!
Only other mod I forgot to mention is the 6 long studs and multi layer head gasket

Steve

[migliacars]

Originally Posted by the youth

that's basically the same spec as jims rs200 ( he had low comp pistons) that engine had no issues running that power, rods and pistons don't need changing pistons need valve cut outs in that's all
jim was running 34psi peak and the only turbo issue he had was when it sucked the foam air filter in!!
Only other mod I forgot to mention is the 6 long studs and multi layer head gasket

Steve

is that the white one that use to race in A1

[the youth]

Originally Posted by migliacars

is that the white one that use to race in A1

Yes engine wise it only ever needed a head gasket in the time it was raced

Steve

[migliacars]

Originally Posted by the youth

Yes engine wise it only ever needed a head gasket in the time it was raced

Steve

This one on this vid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zruAF8xgkA

well they cannot be big horses as this pinto pumped out 190hp. strange it when straight past it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[the youth]

Originally Posted by migliacars

This one on this vid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zruAF8xgkA

well they cannot be big horses as this pinto pumped out 190hp. strange it when straight past it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The car was broken! I cant exactly remember which fault it was it was either the boost hose came off or the old quaife sequential gearbox gave up it was a few years ago now..

steve

[Jim S]

Originally Posted by migliacars

This one on this vid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zruAF8xgkA

well they cannot be big horses as this pinto pumped out 190hp. strange it when straight past it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I certainly had a bit of bad luck which was down to various reasons, gearbox and poor intercooler plus loads of other gremlins including the driver but the engine was never one of them. A well built YB is still a very good engine.

On a YB, if built correctly, (that’s the important part) the standard crank and rods are good for 650 bhp, standard pistons if cooled correctly (WRC/Mountune oil spray jets) are good for 550-600 bhp after that, as Steve says, you don’t need that much for a very reliable 450 bhp.

That video was in Sept 2009 and it was, as Steve said, the boost hose came off after not being correctly tightened (was that you Steve) and after coming into fix that then the Quaife box packed up, I only manage 3 laps in total which was probably a record for me. So if anyone didn't get passed me then they had more problems than I had.

Jim

[IAN #51]

My race car runs a YB in the following spec and it runs around 350HP all day although its a foolish thing to say ! because sods law being what it is the engine is bound to put a rod through the block next time out

3 bar map ,GRP A Coil , GRP A Head Gasket , T34 ,Hallman boost controller, Dark Greens ,

Max boost 28 psi Spike about 30

The rest of the engine is completely bog stock it was set up by Norris M/S a few years ago

I have been really impressed with how tractable it is I know the boost is a bit high so im saving the pennies for a T38

My apologies for butting in I was just enjoying the YB talk

Ian

[the youth]

Originally Posted by Jim S

I certainly had a bit of bad luck which was down to various reasons, gearbox and poor intercooler plus loads of other gremlins including the driver but the engine was never one of them. A well built YB is still a very good engine.

On a YB, if built correctly, (that’s the important part) the standard crank and rods are good for 650 bhp, standard pistons if cooled correctly (WRC/Mountune oil spray jets) are good for 550-600 bhp after that, as Steve says, you don’t need that much for a very reliable 450 bhp.

That video was in Sept 2009 and it was, as Steve said, the boost hose came off after not being correctly tightened (was that you Steve) and after coming into fix that then the Quaife box packed up, I only manage 3 laps in total which was probably a record for me. So if anyone didn't get passed me then they had more problems than I had.

Jim

yes I thought it was the one when the hose fell off then the gearbox failed

Originally Posted by IAN #51

My race car runs a YB in the following spec and it runs around 350HP all day although its a foolish thing to say ! because sods law being what it is the engine is bound to put a rod through the block next time out

3 bar map ,GRP A Coil , GRP A Head Gasket , T34 ,Hallman boost controller, Dark Greens ,

Max boost 28 psi Spike about 30

The rest of the engine is completely bog stock it was set up by Norris M/S a few years ago

I have been really impressed with how tractable it is I know the boost is a bit high so im saving the pennies for a T38

My apologies for butting in I was just enjoying the YB talk

Ian

Ian My old spec was similar to yours T34 siemans 55's 32 psi peak and made 363bhp ( the turbo wasn't a good one) and it ran well but the misfire was down to a corroded head allowing water into the cylinders, the change of spec to a T38 during the rebuild is a bonus

steve

[Westysprinter]

A big well done to the organisers and winners on Saturday night