Rumours Raikkonen and Alonso pair up

F1Pete · 24 Aug 2009, 12:05 (Ref:2527240)

This rumour comes straight from Italy. A friend of mine called me last night to tell me about the rumour that is now floating around in the press over there.

The rumour is that the team announcement will be Kimi and Alonso as drivers for Ferrari in 2010.

Just thought I would throw this out to the dogs.

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jab · 24 Aug 2009, 12:10 (Ref:2527243)

So what about Massa, then? I can't see them resting him for a year because that may do more harm than good, and I can't see them giving him the boot because that would just be heartless

Can't see it happening

Graz · 24 Aug 2009, 14:41 (Ref:2527320)

Can't see it either. It'll be Alonso and Massa. Kimi's heart isn't in it anymore.

ralf fan · 24 Aug 2009, 15:22 (Ref:2527340)

Massa is hugely popular at Ferrari. Can't see him sacked.

TerryD · 24 Aug 2009, 15:29 (Ref:2527343)

Can't see Massa getting sacked, he just won't ever be fit enough to race again. He can't risk taking another knock to the head.

AJLav · 24 Aug 2009, 16:06 (Ref:2527365)

I don't see this happening unless Massa is never cleared to race again...

Super Hans · 24 Aug 2009, 16:41 (Ref:2527386)

To echo previous posters, I can't see Massa being dropped unless he is declared unfit to race. It would be wonderful to see Alonso & Raikkonen head-to-head though.

broadrun96 · 24 Aug 2009, 16:49 (Ref:2527392)

Makes even less sense than the rumor Vasha had reported hearing this weekend, Alonoso and Massa at Ferrari F1 and Kimi moving over to head a new Fiat rally team.

strider · 24 Aug 2009, 16:50 (Ref:2527394)

The dilemma Ferrari has is that they can't really confirm their plans for next season until they know if Felipe will be race-fit for it.

I suppose it's remotely possible that Kimi and Fernando could be the race drivers for next season, with Felipe being the test driver before taking over from Kimi in 2011.

I don't see how anyone who has watched the last two races can say that Kimi's heart is no longer in it. Off-topic, but am I wrong in thinking that he has grown his hair much longer over the break?

jab · 24 Aug 2009, 16:58 (Ref:2527397)

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Originally Posted by broadrun96

Makes even less sense than the rumor Vasha had reported hearing this weekend, Alonoso and Massa at Ferrari F1 and Kimi moving over to head a new Fiat rally team.

That's because that rumour definitely makes sense, as it's the one that's been doing the rounds for ages

**Bononi** · 24 Aug 2009, 17:10 (Ref:2527402)

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Originally Posted by F1Pete

This rumour comes straight from Italy. A friend of mine called me last night to tell me about the rumour that is now floating around in the press over there.

The rumour is that the team announcement will be Kimi and Alonso as drivers for Ferrari in 2010.

Just thought I would throw this out to the dogs.

Ask your friend for links, I didn't see any around here... and you guys Climb and Inigo Montoya ??

**Bononi** · 24 Aug 2009, 17:18 (Ref:2527408)

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Originally Posted by strider

The dilemma Ferrari has is that they can't really confirm their plans for next season until they know if Felipe will be race-fit for it.

I suppose it's remotely possible that Kimi and Fernando could be the race drivers for next season, with Felipe being the test driver before taking over from Kimi in 2011.

I don't see how anyone who has watched the last two races can say that Kimi's heart is no longer in it. Off-topic, but am I wrong in thinking that he has grown his hair much longer over the break?

AFAIK there's no dilemma about this, but who am I to say it is not true. Felipe has 95% of his left eye recovered and he's going to Miami to a special recovery treatment of this issue, the same one that treated DaMatta. That said, it's almost certain that he'll be there in 2010.
On a funny side, I watched Felipe racing in a Ferrari at Interlagos this weekend, for a top driver he just average with a joystick, though he ranked his own performance as abysmal.

jab · 24 Aug 2009, 21:01 (Ref:2527520)

OK, so if Ferrari really have to retain Raikkonen and Massa isn't going to be back until after the end of the season, why don't they re-establish their links with their old B team Sauber?

Sauber are struggling to survive right now - Peter has got together with Petronas to put a bid together and this is said to contain Ferrari engines. Meanwhile, Ferrari have 3 drivers vying for 2010 seats, with 1 injured right now, and on top, they have Michael who seemingly wants to get back into F1 again. 3 of the 4 drivers are former Sauber employees - Michael in sportscars, Kimi and Felipe in F1. So surely the ideal scenario for Ferrari would be to help out Sauber financially, give them Massa so he can have a year seeing how he gets on, and slot in his mate Michael alongside, with Kimi and Alonso at Ferrari. Then, in 2011, Kimi can go and do what he wants and they have a drive free for Massa, Buemi or Kubica or whoever they want to put in there, and they also have a team they can plant their juniors in from the development programme they want to start up. Not only that but their junior would be partnered with the best in the business

This would work out really well for all parties - Ferrari get 2 extra seats and their awkward dilemma is solved, Sauber get 2 big name drivers which will help with merch sales, sponsorship and development of the team, all 4 drivers get drives for 2010 with no messy contract pay-ups or anything like that, and the fans get to see Kimi vs Alonso at Ferrari and the Big Schu back in F1 to race against the new generation

ptclaus98 · 25 Aug 2009, 01:11 (Ref:2527611)

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Originally Posted by broadrun96

Makes even less sense than the rumor Vasha had reported hearing this weekend, Alonoso and Massa at Ferrari F1 and Kimi moving over to head a new Fiat rally team.

Are you serious?

F1Pete · 25 Aug 2009, 01:37 (Ref:2527617)

No links on the rumour. It was just something that was read in an Italian newspaper. My take on it is that Massa is not well at the moment and if that continues to be he case then speculation would be Kimi and Alonso.

**Bononi** · 25 Aug 2009, 11:28 (Ref:2527839)

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Originally Posted by F1Pete

My take on it is that Massa is not well at the moment and if that continues to be he case then speculation would be Kimi and Alonso.

Well, there are plenty of links to prove the contrary, it's not like he's living in an isolated country like North Korea or something... and there's nothing on italian newspapers about that. Take your time to re-read my previous posts, maybe it would help.

**chunterer** · 25 Aug 2009, 11:46 (Ref:2527854)

I was thinking that as Felipe is massively loyal to Ferrari and as he maybe not race fit for a fair while, he may be 'persuaded' to take a year out, or spend a year with a Ferrari endorsed team and then return to Maranello race seat in 2011.

I doubt he would do it out of choice but if there were certain sweetners and a sniff still of a reasonable car (plus he would be able to re-acclamatise a little more out of the media frenzy of Ferrari) it is possible I guess?

In reality though paying off the last year of Kimi's contract will still be a relatively small beer financially for Ferrari/Fiat. They'll do what they have to.

The other thing is does anyone actually know what Kimi's contract extension actually entailed when he re-signed last September?? It was widely reported that it was mega bucks but could it actually have been perfromance related, or with an option on either side to call it a day one year early?

F1Pete · 25 Aug 2009, 12:00 (Ref:2527863)

Bono, it's not that I am saying Massa is out for life, he is unwell at the moment meaning he can't get into an F1 car at the present time. Potentially decisions can be made for the present set of circumstances....like Kimi be on standby before you get the boot.

I was just passing on what was said to me...true or untrue. Geez, do I have to provide evidence of links and hard copies of newspapers? Why don't you just close this thread...it will be alot easier on you.

**Bononi** · 25 Aug 2009, 12:08 (Ref:2527874)

While there is no official word from Ferrari, the Alonso thing will be on. A while ago spanish and later on an italian newspaper linked to the FIAT group put Alonso alongside with Felipe, and after the accident people started to put Alonso with Kimi, like this very one.
I believe that if it turns out to be the truth, it will be very interesting to see how Ferrari will get rid of Kimi or Felipe's contracts, even if one could say it's not a big deal for a company like FIAT. It simply don't work that way.
People keep saying that Kimi is on his way out, but honestly I can't see this happening by his own will. But anyway, who knows ?
On the other hand, it's easy now to jump on conclusions about Felipe's future in F1. In the end, Felipe might not be fit for F1 anymore, though all signs show the opposite, who knows ? Time will tell.
If I would bet in someone for Ferrari, I would go for Vettel. His profile is Ferrarish and there's someone inside Ferrari's heart that can help this to happen, but again, who knows ? Time will tell.
Right now, there's nothing official, and both drivers have a contract until the end of 2010, like Felipe himself said on sunday. We can speculate about how Ferrari would deal with Felipe recovery and Kimi's allegedly lack of compromise, but it's all about rumours and the friend of a friend who knows someone in the know...

Mr V · 25 Aug 2009, 13:45 (Ref:2527940)

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Originally Posted by Super Hans

To echo previous posters, I can't see Massa being dropped unless he is declared unfit to race. It would be wonderful to see Alonso & Raikkonen head-to-head though.

I'm bloody annoyed because i can't remember for the life of me where i saw it, but i did read somewhere of Fernando and Kimi racing for Ferrari in 2010 with Felipe being "loaned out" for the year then being brought back in 2011 after Kimi's contract expires. That would seem incredible to me but it could be a solution for Ferrari, also gives Felipe a year to get back to full fitness and indeed, Ferrari a full year to evaluate him.

**Peter Mallett** · 25 Aug 2009, 14:54 (Ref:2527986)

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Originally Posted by F1Pete

This rumour comes straight from Italy.

That's a relief, I'd be worried if it came from somewhere with journalistic credibility.

Quote:

Originally Posted by F1Pete

A friend of mine called me last night to tell me about the rumour that is now floating around in the press over there.

This "friend" wouldn't resemble a 2m high rabbit, answering to the name of Harvey?

Quote:

Originally Posted by F1Pete

The rumour is that the team announcement will be Kimi and Alonso as drivers for Ferrari in 2010.

Really you should never, ever trust tall speaking rabbits. Or short ones for that matter.

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Originally Posted by F1Pete

Just thought I would throw this out to the dogs.

Woof!

djb · 27 Aug 2009, 16:02 (Ref:2529347)

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Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

That's a relief, I'd be worried if it came from somewhere with journalistic credibility.

This "friend" wouldn't resemble a 2m high rabbit, answering to the name of Harvey?
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these probably even got Jimmy Stewart to chuckle Sir Mallett....I did.

for the younger crowd, Jimmy was Jackie's older brother who did a wee bit of acting ;-)

courageous · 28 Aug 2009, 18:06 (Ref:2530052)

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Originally Posted by Mr V

...Felipe being "loaned out" for the year then being brought back in 2011 after Kimi's contract expires.

Williams are looking for good engines & a star driver (neither of which they really have enough money for)

It all makes sense now ;-)

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