USCC (leave your axe outside) - Page 271

Holt · 24 Apr 2014, 14:21 (Ref:3397739)

Im hoping 2017 looks like this

LMP1 - Stays pretty much what it is now, complete prototypes with no resemblance to any road cars. Average Le Mans Lap 3:30

LMP2 - If Super GT, Corvette DP, and a DTM car had a baby. Or in other terms prototype GT cars that keep styling cues from road cars. Average Le Mans Lap 3:40

GTLM - Factory GT cars, basically today's GTE class. Average Le Mans Lap Time 3:55

GT3 - The worldwide GT3 class. Average Le Mans lap time 4:05

MoMedic9019 · 24 Apr 2014, 15:13 (Ref:3397767)

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Originally Posted by Matt

Just hypothetically.

Say this car was fitted with modern rubber and the chassis was made of carbon fiber and the whole shemozzle would pass all current safety specs...how fast do you think it'd go, and would you watch a series like that?

Like, imagine if this as what a 2017 P1/2 car looked like...they'd produce more downforce than current cars, iirc.

The moncoque was carbon...

Point being, yes. If the cars looked that good for the new P2, yes, I think we would ALL be happy with that.

Mechanic Z · 24 Apr 2014, 17:37 (Ref:3397822)

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Originally Posted by Rodger Davies

No, I wouldn't want to see that any more than I wanted to see IMSA's spec-CanAm (now there's an oxymoron) throwback car last year.

I'd rather see something that produces its own history rather than adopting another periods'.

Yeah, THAT!

Bob Riebe · 24 Apr 2014, 22:55 (Ref:3397923)

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Originally Posted by DistortedSmile

The Peugeot 905 got pole at Le Mans 1992 with a 3:21.200, that's faster than last year's pole by the R18 (even though that car could probably have gone faster than the 3:22.346 it qualified with IMO).

Today's cars speeds are set by specs. created by what ever sanction they are bowing to.
Old cars whether 10, 20, 40, 50 etc. years ago would all be faster with todays rubber and engine building techniques BUT if controlled by today's spec. happy sanctions they would still be only as much faster as allowed.

Canada ALMS fan · 25 Apr 2014, 23:23 (Ref:3398310)

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Originally Posted by Maelochs

What Scot Elkins says basically points out how badly bungled was this "unification."

And how convenient they erred on the side of benefitting the DP teams...

BullMan · 25 Apr 2014, 23:34 (Ref:3398314)

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Originally Posted by Canada ALMS fan

And how convenient they erred on the side of benefitting the DP teams...

Jordan Taylor and Richard Westbrook were both making dumb comments on Twitter about the changes today.

**skycafe** · 25 Apr 2014, 23:57 (Ref:3398317)

Enlighten us. Myself, I am far too old to twitter

BullMan · 26 Apr 2014, 00:03 (Ref:3398318)

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Originally Posted by skycafe

Enlighten us. Myself, I am far to old to twitter

Taylor said something to the effect of "now they'll find something else to complain about" and Westbrook told Ryan Dalziel to fill the P2 car up with gas so the DPs wouldn't be slowed down even more.

Maelochs · 26 Apr 2014, 00:16 (Ref:3398319)

They are just playing to their fans. Can't fault them for that.

I might not like their attitudes, but at least they are allowed to say stuff ... I'd be a lot less happy if TUSC started fining drivers for disrespectful tweets.

Fogelhund · 26 Apr 2014, 01:45 (Ref:3398329)

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Originally Posted by Maelochs

They are just playing to their fans. Can't fault them for that.

I might not like their attitudes, but at least they are allowed to say stuff ... I'd be a lot less happy if TUSC started fining drivers for disrespectful tweets.

They seem to play right into the NASCAR demographic.

schmidder · 26 Apr 2014, 03:56 (Ref:3398344)

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Originally Posted by DistortedSmile

The Peugeot 905 got pole at Le Mans 1992 with a 3:21.200, that's faster than last year's pole by the R18 (even though that car could probably have gone faster than the 3:22.346 it qualified with IMO).

We're the muslanne chicanes there ten?

schmidder · 26 Apr 2014, 04:01 (Ref:3398345)

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Originally Posted by schmidder

We're the muslanne chicanes there ten?

Wiki ' d it and answered my own question...they were put there in 90..so this is impressive..

Matt · 26 Apr 2014, 04:01 (Ref:3398346)

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Originally Posted by schmidder

We're the muslanne chicanes there ten?

yes

TF110 · 26 Apr 2014, 07:01 (Ref:3398370)

This site will show you the changes made to the track, where when and why http://www.maisonblanche.co.uk/circuits.html

FstrthnU · 26 Apr 2014, 16:04 (Ref:3398466)

http://sportscar365.com/imsa/tusc/st...r-full-season/
Nice, Starworks keeping Sam Bird for the full season with Martin Fuentes

Lagunaseca_4life · 26 Apr 2014, 20:03 (Ref:3398519)

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Originally Posted by FstrthnU

http://sportscar365.com/imsa/tusc/st...r-full-season/
Nice, Starworks keeping Sam Bird for the full season with Martin Fuentes

No update on the hpd dp? I was hoping to see that car on track,bummer.....

Jack Spratt · 26 Apr 2014, 20:42 (Ref:3398527)

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Originally Posted by Lagunaseca_4life

No update on the hpd dp? I was hoping to see that car on track,bummer.....

I seem to remember them saying they were aiming to be back at the Glen?

Dimension · 27 Apr 2014, 17:50 (Ref:3398865)

One thing to consider that was pointed out by Sport Auto:

The new DP have a reasonably big footprint and a very large diffusor. A diffusor allows for two things:

1) loads of downforce without increasing drag much (which means you don't have a big impact on your top speed)

2) Downforce that is somewhat susceptible to bumps, but doesn't care at all if its in dirty air from driving behind another car.

DP develop a larger percentage of their downforce from their diffusors, because they are abnormously large compared to P2 diffusors. So they get their downforce without a hit to their top speed AND they don't lose much downforce in traffic.

so basically this just compounds the problem of the top-speed and power advantages the DP already have because of their engines.

sportscar 365 reported on the DP engines losing between 10-14hp iirc due to smaller restrictors for NA engines (1.0mm reduction) and turbo engines (0.9mm reduction).

I don't think we'll see much impact from that.

However, I don't think you'll need to do much to make the cars more equal.

The best option imo (because it actually doesn't cost anybody ANY money) would be to turn back on the pit rules and make it so you have to change tires seperately from drivers changes and fueling. Not only would there be more strategy, but it would buff P2 because they can double-stint more easily. Also, it would help P2 on restarts because they now have the chance to start on old tires that are at least somewhat warm. It also saves money, because it saves the number of tires used.

imo, this is a solution even the DP teams could get behind because even if they lose an edge, it actually saves them money.

Disraeli Eers · 28 Apr 2014, 14:20 (Ref:3399219)

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Originally Posted by Dimension

The best option imo (because it actually doesn't cost anybody ANY money) would be to turn back on the pit rules and make it so you have to change tires seperately from drivers changes and fueling. Not only would there be more strategy, but it would buff P2 because they can double-stint more easily. Also, it would help P2 on restarts because they now have the chance to start on old tires that are at least somewhat warm. It also saves money, because it saves the number of tires used.

imo, this is a solution even the DP teams could get behind because even if they lose an edge, it actually saves them money.

I don't see this happening because it would mean less money for big sponsor Continental.

Maelochs · 28 Apr 2014, 16:53 (Ref:3399269)

I don't think it has anything to do with how much money Continental would make--they could simply raise their prices slightly.

I think it has more to do with NASCAR's idea that fans don't want to see cars sitting in the pits with no one running around like crazy---where's the thrill in that?

MoMedic9019 · 28 Apr 2014, 18:23 (Ref:3399306)

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Originally Posted by Maelochs

I think it has more to do with NASCAR's idea that fans don't want to see cars sitting in the pits with no one running around like crazy---where's the thrill in that?

If we are gonna get nuts on pitstops, then lets get nuts.

Pressurized fuel rigs, 3 guys per wheel, two for the windshield/lights, two for the driver change, one on the airjack..

ttdriver2009 · 28 Apr 2014, 19:27 (Ref:3399337)

Wasn't there a major team withdrawing from IMSA this past week? Who was it?

MoMedic9019 · 28 Apr 2014, 19:39 (Ref:3399342)

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Originally Posted by ttdriver2009

Wasn't there a major team withdrawing from IMSA this past week? Who was it?

There was no announcement. My guess is that the BoP adjustment quenched that fire....for now.

I reached out to my contacts, all have been silent on the matter. That's my best guess.

TRspitfirefan · 28 Apr 2014, 23:56 (Ref:3399434)

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Originally Posted by Dimension

However, I don't think you'll need to do much to make the cars more equal.

The best option imo (because it actually doesn't cost anybody ANY money) would be to turn back on the pit rules and make it so you have to change tires seperately from drivers changes and fueling. Not only would there be more strategy, but it would buff P2 because they can double-stint more easily. Also, it would help P2 on restarts because they now have the chance to start on old tires that are at least somewhat warm. It also saves money, because it saves the number of tires used.

imo, this is a solution even the DP teams could get behind because even if they lose an edge, it actually saves them money.

^ This would be awesome!

TRspitfirefan · 29 Apr 2014, 00:08 (Ref:3399436)

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Originally Posted by Maelochs

I think it has more to do with NASCAR's idea that fans don't want to see cars sitting in the pits with no one running around like crazy---where's the thrill in that?

The current IMSA rules, really take a lot of the drama out of the pitstops. Most teams can have all four tires changed, by the time the fueling is finished, which negates the effect of a faster pit crew.
Last season, Team Falken often gained a lot of time, due to their great pitstops. Now there really is no advantage to be gained, unless somebody makes a mistake.

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