WEC 2014 FIA World Endurance Championship - Page 33

Rodger Davies · 24 Apr 2014, 18:22 (Ref:3397837)

And Labre. Who certainly do.

Coach Ep · 24 Apr 2014, 18:28 (Ref:3397840)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rodger Davies

With these three no-shows, how many reserve P2s are there? Signatech, Greaves and Pegasus? All three of these deserve the LM spot more at this point.

Believe Labre is the first P category reserve - that is if you're talking LM.

TheMightyM · 24 Apr 2014, 19:12 (Ref:3397851)

The Le Mans P reserves in order:
1. Labre
2. Signatech second car
3. Caterham = Greaves second car
4. Pegasus

Deleted · 24 Apr 2014, 19:12 (Ref:3397852)

So with the confirmed 28 entries we continue the gradual shrinking of the Spa 6h / 1000km grid (those that arrived at the circuit)

2003 - 35x
2004 - 41x
2005 - 47x
2006 - 40x
2007 - 50x
2008 - 44x
2009 - 51x
2010 - 50x
2011 - 54x
2012 - 42x
2013 - 35x
2014 - 28x projected

1999-2002 FIA Sportscar Champ races and 1989-1990 WSC were all actually under 3h events so count them if you wish, but in terms of 1000km events the last time with fewer cars was 1988 WSC race with 27 C1/C2 entries

nobster · 24 Apr 2014, 19:21 (Ref:3397856)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pandemonium

http://www.endurance-info.com/fr/spa...ennium-racing/
So Rebellion is taking the R-ones despite the Lolas being announced. Even Endurance info kind of points towards the lotus lmp as of a joke and no sign of millenium racing.

when the Lotus is going to be another no show then that is just another failure from the ACO in selecting the entry list.

carbon_titanium · 24 Apr 2014, 19:26 (Ref:3397859)

according to wikipedia there are 4 lmp reserves left

#50 larbre
#30 signatech-alpine
#42 chateram
#29 pegasus racing

In my opinion not only millenium racing and lotus will surely retire, but will be able TDS racing to put hands on the new ligier lmp2 in time for le mans? and don't forget strakka that is struggling with the new dome.
In GT there is ram racing with budget issues and with bruno senna signed in the #97, I don't know how much realistic could be the third AMR #89 presence in gt-pro.

isynge · 24 Apr 2014, 19:34 (Ref:3397860)

Quote:

Originally Posted by carbon_titanium

according to wikipedia there are 4 lmp reserves left

#50 larbre
#30 signatech-alpine
#42 chateram
#29 pegasus racing

In my opinion not only millenium racing and lotus will surely retire, but will be able TDS racing to put hands on the new ligier lmp2 in time for le mans? and don't forget strakka that is struggling with the new dome.
In GT there is ram racing with budget issues and with bruno senna signed in the #97, I don't know how much realistic could be the third AMR #89 presence in gt-pro.

The Ligier JSP2 at least exists and has had a reasonable amount of testing, and if its not ready bringing the Morgan which has a proven ability to do well at Le Mans isn't going to be a huge hardship for them.

I'd be a lot more comfortable if the Dome was at Spa or Imola but I don't think we're looking at a forfeit here.

Pandemonium · 24 Apr 2014, 19:55 (Ref:3397862)

This race looks very promising with 9 competitive LMP´1s

Beetle · 24 Apr 2014, 19:59 (Ref:3397863)

Race thread for Spa will be up soon.

airbusA346 · 24 Apr 2014, 20:07 (Ref:3397865)

GTE BOP Adjustments for Spa

991 RSR +25kg
Vantage GTE -15kg

The adjustments are applicable for both GTE-Pro and GTE-Am. No changes to 997 RSRs or 2012 Vantage.

TheMightyM · 24 Apr 2014, 20:09 (Ref:3397867)

The big issue here isn’t so much Spa or Le Mans but rather the rest of the WEC season. Usually we don't see a drop off in entries until after Le Mans, which is the scary part. If teams are having trouble getting money to run the prep race for Le Mans, it makes me very concerned as to whether they’ll be able to get the money to do the five races after Le Mans, which given the travel involved, are likely each even more expensive for teams than Spa...

ger80 · 24 Apr 2014, 20:22 (Ref:3397873)

So lets have Le Mans as the last race of the season, everybody not turning up before without a good excuse will loose the LM entry.

KA · 24 Apr 2014, 20:34 (Ref:3397879)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rodger Davies

Ouch indeed, really bad news for ADR, seems they've been let down by more false promises, if not then they really need to cone out and clarify their position.

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That one is starting to sound a bit like a case of 'the cheque's in the post', or 'the dog ate my homework'....I really do wonder if we'll see them at all this year

SpikerJack · 24 Apr 2014, 20:39 (Ref:3397881)

No sam bird on the list

Bertolini is on the 81
Maybe moving to #71?

TheMightyM · 24 Apr 2014, 20:40 (Ref:3397882)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ger80

So lets have Le Mans as the last race of the season, everybody not turning up before without a good excuse will loose the LM entry.

The problem with that is that will tend to push cars out of the WEC into ELMS or out of ACO-style racing all together. And at this stage, neither the WEC nor the ACO can be too picky.

Simmi · 24 Apr 2014, 20:51 (Ref:3397888)

Quote:

Originally Posted by nobster

when the Lotus is going to be another no show then that is just another failure from the ACO in selecting the entry list.

The ACO were hardly going to turn down a privateer P1 car. How could they? They are desperate to make the class work. Otherwise Rebellion will just be racing themselves. There would have been a backlash.

Say what you want about Kolles/Kodewa - if they are willing to try and field a P1 then they deserve the chance to try. Reserves are there for a reason.

TF110 · 24 Apr 2014, 21:47 (Ref:3397909)

The ironic part of their entry (according to them) is theyre late because the Audi engine not coming through. Supposedly they had to go with AER late in the program and that pushed their preparations back. Is this a legitimate reason?

JoestForEver · 25 Apr 2014, 00:19 (Ref:3397933)

Quote:

Originally Posted by airbusA346

GTE BOP Adjustments for Spa

991 RSR +25kg
Vantage GTE -15kg

The adjustments are applicable for both GTE-Pro and GTE-Am. No changes to 997 RSRs or 2012 Vantage.

It seems that the whole ACO BoP crap has become a success ballast system

Deleted · 25 Apr 2014, 05:29 (Ref:3397988)

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoestForEver

It seems that the whole ACO BoP crap has become a success ballast system

Except success ballast is constant and not based on politics and moanings of the manufacturers, which kinda makes it fairer...

I think we'll see three more of these GTE adjustments before LM

Straight after Spa
@ Specific BoP testing at Germany
After Test Day

Possibly not after Spa if the German test does the same but the two others are guaranteed

NelisB · 25 Apr 2014, 05:43 (Ref:3397992)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiana

Except success ballast is constant and not based on politics and moanings of the manufacturers, which kinda makes it fairer...

I think we'll see three more of these GTE adjustments before LM

Straight after Spa
@ Specific BoP testing at Germany
After Test Day

Possibly not after Spa if the German test does the same but the two others are guaranteed

Where's this German test going to be and is there public allowed?

Victor_RO · 25 Apr 2014, 06:10 (Ref:3397998)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiana

Except success ballast is constant and not based on politics and moanings of the manufacturers, which kinda makes it fairer...

I think we'll see three more of these GTE adjustments before LM

Straight after Spa
@ Specific BoP testing at Germany
After Test Day

Possibly not after Spa if the German test does the same but the two others are guaranteed

What German test? I think you mean the Le Mans BoP test at Michelin's test track in France?

TF110 · 25 Apr 2014, 06:33 (Ref:3398006)

Will they have those Le Mans specific bodykits? That will need its own bop.

Deleted · 25 Apr 2014, 09:24 (Ref:3398055)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Victor_RO

What German test? I think you mean the Le Mans BoP test at Michelin's test track in France?

My bad, it was in France.

carbon_titanium · 25 Apr 2014, 09:39 (Ref:3398058)

Porsche victory at silverstone was decided by wet tyres. Michelin supplies a special wet compound only to porsche 991 RSR! ferrari asked for the same package but michelin denied. Because of this ace in a hole, to give extra ballast to porsche won't change a lot in a wet race.
Ferrari tested also dunlop in wet condition and noticed that the car was several seconds faster than michelin! unfortunately on dry condition michelin remains the best so keep on with michelin was the only wise possible decision (afterall, even bmw in ALMS/TUSC switched for michelin after years with dunlop). In 2013 AMR used dunlop too during the winter development of the vantage GTE, but came back to michelin before the season start.

About vantage in my opinion, the problem is the age of the vantage platform. Without the 95L fuel tank, AMR has to decrease power because of bad consumes and the car is basicly the same of 2013 without updates. Then if we consider that AMR runs with only 1 real pro car (#97) I'd expect a really hard season for them.

cmk · 25 Apr 2014, 20:44 (Ref:3398261)

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpikerJack

No sam bird on the list

Bertolini is on the 81
Maybe moving to #71?

Bird is just filling in for Bertolini when the latter is busy with SMP at Silverstone and Le Mans, at least for now.

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