Jordan sign the Concorde Agreement to 2012

Kicking-back · 20 Jul 2005, 11:58 (Ref:1359255)

More good news, another team committing to F1.

WapFlap · 20 Jul 2005, 12:00 (Ref:1359257)

I don't know if this is good for Formula one. The team is renamed to midland next year and it doesnt really look impressive now. F1 needs the bigger GPWC to become a strong serie. Not those little teams that maybe not even last till 2008.

Marbot · 20 Jul 2005, 12:00 (Ref:1359258)

Link please K-b.

Will they have Ferrari engines too.

WapFlap · 20 Jul 2005, 12:01 (Ref:1359260)

www.f1racing.net/en There you find this announcement!

Kicking-back · 20 Jul 2005, 12:11 (Ref:1359276)

Quote:

Originally Posted by WapFlap

I don't know if this is good for Formula one. The team is renamed to midland next year and it doesnt really look impressive now. F1 needs the bigger GPWC to become a strong serie. Not those little teams that maybe not even last till 2008.

Of course they'll last to 2008.

As for the "GPWC" teams - they've basically indicated there will never be a rival series.

The only issue is how to wrap everything up without losing face.

Marbot · 20 Jul 2005, 12:14 (Ref:1359279)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kicking-back

The only issue is how to wrap everything up without losing face.

By getting a better deal than Ferrari of course.

Knowlesy · 20 Jul 2005, 12:18 (Ref:1359282)

Well these three teams were expected to sign anyways. Ferrari, Red Bull, Jordan.

It's hardly shocking news. And not really positive until the others start signing up in droves. Which, inevitably I guess, will happen.

Glen · 20 Jul 2005, 12:18 (Ref:1359283)

Bridgestone's hand is becoming stronger and stronger.

Kicking-back · 20 Jul 2005, 12:19 (Ref:1359286)

In that they supply 100% of the teams signed up! (Assuming Red Bull DO switch)

Glen · 20 Jul 2005, 12:21 (Ref:1359289)

Yes.

Marbot · 20 Jul 2005, 12:22 (Ref:1359290)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kicking-back

In that they supply 100% of the teams signed up! (Assuming Red Bull DO switch)

Surely Minardi will switch to Michelin.Unless of course Ferrari buy Minardi.

Glen · 20 Jul 2005, 12:23 (Ref:1359293)

Michelin have already declined to supply Minardi in the past - they are only obliged to supply 6 teams I think.

BootsOntheSide · 20 Jul 2005, 12:26 (Ref:1359295)

I think it's 4 teams - 40% of the grid. Bridgestone wouldn't be obliged to supply Red Bull, but ti would obviously be greatly in their interests to do so.

Marbot · 20 Jul 2005, 12:28 (Ref:1359299)

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Originally Posted by Glen

Michelin have already declined to supply Minardi in the past - they are only obliged to supply 6 teams I think.

They just need to swap tyres with RedBull.

Gt_R · 20 Jul 2005, 13:08 (Ref:1359322)

It's highly unlikely. Minardi were crudely dumped by Michelin a few years back and were left with no tires until Bridgestone was kind of forced to supply.

It's unlikely Michelin would willingly supply Minardi and even give it much resource.

Back to topic, Good News for F1. Although i expect most teams to sign up with F1 by the end of this year, the news that Jordan signs on comes so soon after Red Bull, it's a nice thing to know.

Wonder what Ferrari has got to do with Jordan's decision this time around

Glen · 20 Jul 2005, 13:21 (Ref:1359328)

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Originally Posted by Gt_R

Wonder what Ferrari has got to do with Jordan's decision this time around

Absolutely - it's as clear as Schumacher's contract that Ferrari will have worked their evil magic to force this to happen.

Marbot · 20 Jul 2005, 13:44 (Ref:1359344)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glen

Absolutely - it's as clear as Schumacher's contract that Ferrari will have worked their evil magic to force this to happen.

If you ask K-b,he'll tell you that Nairin Karthikeyan will be in a red car before long.

Note: This may be just another prediction however.

Marbot · 20 Jul 2005, 16:14 (Ref:1359454)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Glen

Bridgestone's hand is becoming stronger and stronger.

Interestingly an eighth team has asked to sign up with Michelin www.grandprix.com entitled "Michelin wants to spread the load".

Don K · 20 Jul 2005, 20:24 (Ref:1359617)

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Originally Posted by BootsOntheSide

I think it's 4 teams - 40% of the grid. Bridgestone wouldn't be obliged to supply Red Bull, but ti would obviously be greatly in their interests to do so.

No.

It depends of the number of tyre suppliers.

When there are 2 tyre suppliers, each one of them is obliged to supply 60% of the grid if asked.

I don't have the regulations at hand, but they can be found somewhere on the FIA site (it's probably in the 2005 F1 Sporting Regulations).

Dutton · 20 Jul 2005, 20:51 (Ref:1359638)

Quote:

Originally Posted by BootsOntheSide

I think it's 4 teams - 40% of the grid. Bridgestone wouldn't be obliged to supply Red Bull, but ti would obviously be greatly in their interests to do so.

That would only leave a maximum obliged supply to 80% of the field, but if it is 60% (which it is) then it assures 100% tyre coverage.

I am still waiting for Toyota to switch - a full-blown, fully co-operative partnership between them and Bridgestone would be incredibly helpful.

**Adam43** · 20 Jul 2005, 21:12 (Ref:1359660)

Dutton is right, but for clarification. These rules are freely available from the FIA website.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FIA aporting rules

73...
b) No tyre may be used in the Championship unless the company supplying such tyre accepts and
adheres to the following conditions :
- one tyre supplier present in the Championship : this company must equip 100% of the entered teams on ordinary commercial terms ;
- two tyre suppliers present : each of them must, if called upon to do so, be prepared to equip up to 60% of the entered teams on ordinary commercial terms ;
- three or more tyre suppliers present : each of them must, if called upon to do so, be prepared to equip up to 40% of the entered teams on ordinary commercial terms ;
...

Dixie Flatline · 20 Jul 2005, 23:29 (Ref:1359740)

Colin Kolles:

Quote:

Bernie Ecclestone was instrumental in bringing Midland to Formula One and from the very beginning Alex Shnaider was supportive of his vision for the future of Formula One and the World Championship. We are happy and proud to be in at the beginning of this process which will shape Formula One's long-term future.

http://www.planetf1.com/news/story_20349.shtml

So I suppose that Schnaider is doing it with the encouragement of Bernie, either overtly or throughout the season, as Schnaider seems to think that he owes Bernie something for getting him to Formula One - at least that's one interpretation of what Mr Kolles is quoted as saying. Bernie is good like that, though, if his business history is anything to judge by.

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