Multi 21 Ricciardo vs Vettel 2014

321Go · 5 Sep 2013, 07:19 (Ref:3299245)

Now that the dust has settled, what's Daniel's chances of getting a fair shake of the sauce bottle over Vettel? Mr no spine has assured everyone that Vettel will not get preferential treatment, and Daniel will get the same KERS unit as Vettel next year.

http://www.f1times.co.uk/news/display/07986

Malfunction Junction · 5 Sep 2013, 09:11 (Ref:3299296)

Jeez, Webbers seat isn't even vacant yet!

Mr V · 5 Sep 2013, 14:56 (Ref:3299490)

Well, lets look at this objectively.

Do we think that Dan, in all honestly, is gonna get much more out of the Red Bull than Mark currently is? Not likely in my view.

So i'll go with, Dan's gonna get his arse whipped.

**Aysedasi** · 3 Nov 2014, 19:51 (Ref:3471307)

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Originally Posted by Mr V

Well, lets look at this objectively.

Do we think that Dan, in all honestly, is gonna get much more out of the Red Bull than Mark currently is? Not likely in my view.

So i'll go with, Dan's gonna get his arse whipped.

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Originally Posted by Bononi

Yes, that's my POV also... actually I don't even understand why people keep thinking about this.

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Originally Posted by davyboy

There's absolutely nothing to indicate that Dan, or anyone else for that matter, would get the better of Vettel in that second Red Bull seat. As has been said, if he does, it will probably be the biggest upset of the modern era and cast a shadow over the careers of all the current F1 stars.

Some of the early posts are pretty good though.......

**Bononi** · 5 Sep 2013, 16:10 (Ref:3299526)

Yes, that's my POV also... actually I don't even understand why people keep thinking about this.

**Aysedasi** · 5 Sep 2013, 17:05 (Ref:3299556)

I don't think I should even comment in this thread, beyond saying 'Go Dan!'.

Mr V · 6 Sep 2013, 00:39 (Ref:3299727)

Put it this way. If Dan gets on terms with Seb and gives him a serious run for his money then it makes a mockery of Marks career.

Teretonga · 6 Sep 2013, 04:22 (Ref:3299759)

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Originally Posted by Mr V

Put it this way. If Dan gets on terms with Seb and gives him a serious run for his money then it makes a mockery of Marks career.

Well......
Seb's en route to his 4th world title in a row.... a la Schumacher....

If Ricciardo can get on terms with him and beat him after all the doubt, guff, and jetsam spoken about his ability, what does it say for Seb's career, and by implication, those of Alonso, Kimi, and Hamilton.......

Mr V · 6 Sep 2013, 05:42 (Ref:3299768)

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Originally Posted by Teretonga

If Ricciardo can get on terms with him and beat him after all the doubt, guff, and jetsam spoken about his ability, what does it say for Seb's career, and by implication, those of Alonso, Kimi, and Hamilton.......

Dan is currently behind JEV in points. Do we really expect him to get on terms with Seb?

davyboy · 6 Sep 2013, 09:13 (Ref:3299824)

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Originally Posted by Mr V

Dan is currently behind JEV in points. Do we really expect him to get on terms with Seb?

There's absolutely nothing to indicate that Dan, or anyone else for that matter, would get the better of Vettel in that second Red Bull seat. As has been said, if he does, it will probably be the biggest upset of the modern era and cast a shadow over the careers of all the current F1 stars.

Something else to consider though. If Vettel does wipe the floor with Ricciardo, that second Red Bull seat will become a career terminator in the way that Schumacher's team mates' seats were. In other words, the only chance of getting one over Vettel will be with a car advantage... i.e. in another team.

Biscuits In A Red Bull · 6 Sep 2013, 15:43 (Ref:3299914)

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Originally Posted by Mr V

Dan is currently behind JEV in points. Do we really expect him to get on terms with Seb?

He finished behind JEV last season too, and as far as I'm concerned RBR have chosen the wrong man.

Given RBR's statements about Dan pushing Vettel by mid-season, I think they'll let them race for the first few rounds to see if Dan would be a true match for Vettel.

**Bononi** · 6 Sep 2013, 12:55 (Ref:3299877)

Reality shock, indeed.

FAS33 · 6 Sep 2013, 14:58 (Ref:3299901)

like I said before put hamilton, alonso, raikonnen or anyone else that would be good enough for a RB seat will be a number 2 driver, and will be treated that way.

**Adam43** · 6 Sep 2013, 22:26 (Ref:3300037)

My prediction is that Vettel will come out on top if the team favour him. If they don't I think Vettel will come out on top.

JohnSSC · 7 Sep 2013, 02:39 (Ref:3300067)

JohnSSC steps out of the Wayback Machine and for a moment thinks that he is in the midst of the "Rubens/Massa could beat Schumacher if only he got equal treatment" threads from days past....

But, it is 2013 and Seb is the new guy that folks seem willing to suspend their willingness to notice the ability as a driver that he has (I personally think Alonso is the best driver on the grid, however...). Seb has handled Webber quite easily. DR has shown little to indicate that (as Adam noted accurately above) with or without preferential treatment Seb will have him covered as well.

FAS33 · 7 Sep 2013, 14:41 (Ref:3300192)

I like both drivers and I cant wait for them to destroy everyone else again and again

**Aysedasi** · 8 Sep 2013, 10:00 (Ref:3300436)

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Originally Posted by FAS33

I like both drivers and I cant wait for them to destroy everyone else again and again

I agree with that - well, as far as Dan is concerned, anyway........

**Bononi** · 8 Sep 2013, 19:16 (Ref:3300633)

Eskimos can't do that !

**Bononi** · 9 Sep 2013, 16:10 (Ref:3301048)

It worked for two years and the last one (89) was a war... I'm not sure any team want to repeat that again, oh same to Piquet/Mansell.

Mr V · 9 Sep 2013, 22:01 (Ref:3301216)

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Originally Posted by Bononi

It worked for two years and the last one (89) was a war... I'm not sure any team want to repeat that again, oh same to Piquet/Mansell.

But my point remains, McLaren dominated because they had the best car with 2 brilliant drivers.

If Vettel and Alonso were paired up at Red Bull, that would also be war, but the likelyhood is that one or the other is going to win at every race.

wnut · 9 Sep 2013, 23:24 (Ref:3301245)

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Originally Posted by Mr V

But my point remains, McLaren dominated because they had the best car with 2 brilliant drivers.

If Vettel and Alonso were paired up at Red Bull, that would also be war, but the likelyhood is that one or the other is going to win at every race.

And it wouldn't be Alonso!

Teretonga · 9 Sep 2013, 23:26 (Ref:3301247)

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Originally Posted by Mr V

But my point remains, McLaren dominated because they had the best car with 2 brilliant drivers.

If Vettel and Alonso were paired up at Red Bull, that would also be war, but the likelyhood is that one or the other is going to win at every race.

Senna/Prost was awesome despite McLaren dominance because basically you had the 2 best drivers in the same team. The battle is what held peoples interest.

There is a Ron Howard film coming out now that is about 2 drivers from a decade earlier that did much the same although they drove for different teams......

Any of the top teams (RBR, Lotus, Ferrari, McLaren, Mercedes) who put the top two drivers in the same team and had a competitive (race winning) car would get a similar response to the Prost / Senna one. It would galvanise people one way or the other. The problem is that these days its rare (and very expensive) to do that. War is expensive, but it makes news and holds our interest.

ace007 · 18 Sep 2013, 21:34 (Ref:3305905)

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Originally Posted by Teretonga

Senna/Prost was awesome despite McLaren dominance because basically you had the 2 best drivers in the same team. The battle is what held peoples interest.

There is a Ron Howard film coming out now that is about 2 drivers from a decade earlier that did much the same although they drove for different teams......

Any of the top teams (RBR, Lotus, Ferrari, McLaren, Mercedes) who put the top two drivers in the same team and had a competitive (race winning) car would get a similar response to the Prost / Senna one. It would galvanise people one way or the other. The problem is that these days its rare (and very expensive) to do that. War is expensive, but it makes news and holds our interest.

Which is why it is thumbs up for Red Bull to give Ricciardo a chance and thumbs up for Ferrari to create maybe one of the most exciting battle of the decade!!

JohnSSC · 10 Sep 2013, 01:01 (Ref:3301277)

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Originally Posted by Bononi

It worked for two years and the last one (89) was a war... I'm not sure any team want to repeat that again, oh same to Piquet/Mansell.

Which is exactly why, despite the clamor for teams to have two drivers with "equal" status they avoid doing it. It is not a team anymore when there is a veritable no-man's land between the two garages. Not to mention Senna trying to kill off Prost...

**Bononi** · 9 Sep 2013, 19:29 (Ref:3301140)

In this time/space dimension looks like the reality is Vettel.

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