[Multi 21] Ricciardo vs Vettel 2014

[JAFA851]

Originally Posted by garcon

I'm actually starting to feel a little bit sorry for Seb.

Please slap yourself repeatedly in the face for even thinking that, let alone posting it.

[garcon]

Sorry.



I feel better now.

[davyboy]

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

Of course he is. When you've had it all your own way for 4 years, it must be very frustrating for him. But it doesn't harm to see that he's mortal, after all. He'll be back, for sure.

Here's another way of looking at it. From the moment it first turned a wheel, it was obvious that the 2014 RBR was not a title contender irrespective of who was behind the wheel. Given that, it doesn't really matter what Seb does or who finishes ahead of him. Or put another way... it's the best year to have all the bad luck !

[F1Pete]

I wonder if Vettel now knows what Webber felt like....

[Aysedasi]

I suspect that there will be more frustrations yet this season for Vettel.

[chillibowl]

the Germans have a word for taking pleasure in the misfortune of others.

instead of creating one jumbo sized word, in English we simply say 'pay back's a *****!'

Originally Posted by davyboy

Or put another way... it's the best year to have all the bad luck !

i like that a lot!

Originally Posted by garcon

I'm actually starting to feel a little bit sorry for Seb.

there is something to be said about seeing an athlete get humbled that makes them more relatable plus being humbled means down the road his comeback story will be more interesting or at least make for a better movie.

[Salamus]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

there is something to be said about seeing an athlete get humbled that makes them more relatable plus being humbled means down the road his comeback story will be more interesting or at least make for a better movie.

Or he pulls a JV and completely falls off the planet after early success.

[chillibowl]

Originally Posted by Salamus

Or he pulls a JV and completely falls off the planet after early success.

unfair. i just saw him yesterday doing what he does best...turning in another forgettable race performance!

[F1Pete]

...at least he is still competing.

[321Go]

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

I hope that there will be more frustrations yet this season for Vettel.

Fixed it!

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

there is something to be said about seeing an athlete get humbled that makes them more relatable plus being humbled means down the road his comeback story will be more interesting or at least make for a better movie.

I hope some day in the far future I am not watching a "Rush" like movie with Vettel as one the main characters and whispering in the ear of the person next to me "I was there when he was at his lowest!"

Richard

[chillibowl]

lol

Finger Boy - the epic journey of a boy and his finger!

[wnut]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

lol

Finger Boy - the epic journey of a boy and his finger!

Finger Boy the journey of a boy and his finger into Man Hood!

Sequel

The Return of Fingerman from Frustration!

http://www.motorsport.com/#!/f1/news...-go-on-vettel/

[Articus]

Originally Posted by F1Pete

I wonder if Vettel now knows what Webber felt like....

Does that really matter anymore? It's clear that it was never a conspiracy since the problem car this year is so called wonder boy's. But looking at how Lewis Hamilton has devolved, it made me realize that Vettel has always been incredibly humble. Why should he have any reason to pity Webber during that past seasons? It's not like he builds the cars.

[wnut]

Originally Posted by F1Pete

I wonder if Vettel now knows what Webber felt like....

http://www.motorsport.com/#!/f1/news...-go-on-vettel/

Apparently he has enough empathy to know!

Experience too now!

[Catingaround]

iirc Vettel actually experienced more terminal failures while leading than Webber and almost as many general failures. People and media seemed to notice and/or remember Webber's issues far more for some reason.

It just seems very unlikely that a team would intentionally sabotage one of their drivers. (granted Massa's gearbox may suggest otherwise)

[321Go]

You have to wonder if RBR are aware of his plans for next year and so are looking after Daniel much more this year. Vettel did test a Ferrari F1 car today after all.

[davyboy]

Originally Posted by 321Go

You have to wonder if RBR are aware of his plans for next year and so are looking after Daniel much more this year. Vettel did test a Ferrari F1 car today after all.

As a matter of fact they are. They were also aware of Webber's plans several years in advance of 2014 which is why they put a lot of effort into sabotaging his races... but continually renewing his contract at season end. In case you didn't know, RBR's main raison d'etre is winding up F1 drivers... and it's alleged that Webber was well and truly done for by the end of it all. Apparently, RBR have now shifted all their focus to Vettel this year... but plans are in the works for Ricciardo to receive the treatment as early as 2015.

[wnut]

Originally Posted by davyboy

As a matter of fact they are. They were also aware of Webber's plans several years in advance of 2014 which is why they put a lot of effort into sabotaging his races... but continually renewing his contract at season end. In case you didn't know, RBR's main raison d'etre is winding up F1 drivers... and it's alleged that Webber was well and truly done for by the end of it all. Apparently, RBR have now shifted all their focus to Vettel this year... but plans are in the works for Ricciardo to receive the treatment as early as 2015.

In fact they enjoyed winding Webber up so much that they followed him to Porsche and sent Adrian along to advise the Porsche techs on strategy!

[garcon]

Originally Posted by 321Go

You have to wonder if RBR are aware of his plans for next year and so are looking after Daniel much more this year. Vettel did test a Ferrari F1 car today after all.

I'm confused. Are you telling us your source is a blue sofa?

[321Go]

Originally Posted by garcon

I'm confused. Are you telling us your source is a blue sofa?

Darn. You've got me.

You know... sometimes you find the darndest things behind a sofa. Oh look.. what's that piece of paper? Looks like a letter of sort to Alonso from McLaren. How the heck did that get there!?

[OZ_HCR32]

Originally Posted by Catingaround

iirc Vettel actually experienced more terminal failures while leading than Webber and almost as many general failures. People and media seemed to notice and/or remember Webber's issues far more for some reason.

It just seems very unlikely that a team would intentionally sabotage one of their drivers. (granted Massa's gearbox may suggest otherwise)

I think you would have to be rather obtuse to think a team sabotages one of its cars. Engineers, etc would all walk out in a heart beat.

I think you will find whilst Vettel actually had more mechanical DNFs than Webber in their career together, I think you will find Webber had far more issues in races that hurt his pace or put him back with penalties (Gearbox changes etc)

I dont think that was intentional, rather a result of the team trying to give Webber equal chance of winning as I did read aspects of hsi car were different, tighter packages due to his size and weight difference to Vettel

[Paradise City]

It's not about who had "terminal failures" in assessing such questions. It's about how had the the bulk of the resources, the bulk of the development, who's car was finely honed to the nth degree and who's wasn't and so on. In the modern era, that's how subtle we need to go to judge questions of this sort.

My view is that they where given equal cars, Vettel gained the ascendancy so over time the bulk of the development work went in his direction, over the off season the car was calibrated with a little more with Vettel in mind because he was the leading horse. It likely leads to Webber having had a car towards the end that probably downplayed his talent - even if only by a slight degree. Coulthard at McLaren was probably similar. That's my sense of things anyway and I think that's way all teams operate; it's a sport that's time intensive when it comes to development and with limited time to work on development, you gravitate towards your top man.

I would also add that there can be power struggles within teams. Red Bull had certain factions there and the politics was a bit tug of war. No question of "sabotage" but as a subtle thing that can favour one driver over another, I do think that's something we need to consider.

[Catingaround]

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[FAS33]

who cares about Webber, he is so last year, this is about a rookie schooling a 4 time world champ (early days, but we'll still claim it) onya Ricciardo!