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I agree that Moto2 needs minimum weights, If they are using a control engine then the heavy riders are being penalised. Moto GP was good Ducati dont seem to be gaining headway, Good to see Crutchlow up there and I think on the right day (rain) some of the CRT bikes could upset the slower prototypes.
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Yeah I think they should introduce some sort of minimum weight in Moto2. It would do a lot for bringing in even more transparency to the results
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I don't understand why the others aren't making much much louder noises in public about it. It seems so bizarre that weight rules apply in the category below but not Moto2. Anyway, nice to see Julian Simon score a point in Moto2, also glad to see di Meglio show some pace. I like following these ex-125 champions to see how they do. Good luck to Mr. Terol! Can I just say, WTF has gone wrong with Jonas Folger? Riding an IODA of all things? How? Why? Last edited by cg7aa; 9 Apr 2012 at 19:12. |
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Yes from a winner last year to zero this. I think it may to do with the illness he suffered last summer? Assuming Red Bull have dropped him too. Would love to know why, although Red Bull are a law unto themselves.
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for a weight limit .. how about medium weight of the riders that enter full season to be added to the minimum bike weight everything lower gets ballast
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Would everyone above get a reduction?
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I just think there should be a minimum weight for bike and rider.
not sure how the 125's work really. I presume someone like Radies in the old days used to have ballast a bit to get to the limit. Say the bike weights 120kg, rider weighs 55 (Pedrosa) thats 175. DRedding weight 70kg, thats 190 kg Power to weight ratio is this. CBR600 engine puts out say 125 hp So it powers either 175 or 190 kg. do the math! |
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A weight minimum seems logical, you want riders progressing from Moto2 to motogp to be able to carry results through onto the bigger bikes, rather than the Elias situation.
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Elias's issue is simply that he could not use the Bridgestone front, I dont think it was much to do with his weight, more of an inability to trust a tyre.
I think in the past he was able to get special tyres, but Bridgestone werent prepared to do this |
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The bikes are heavy and hugely powerful and maybe with the injuries he's suffered in previous years, they're affecting -- he's having a hard time hauling the bike around the track. |
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Not sure he is still injured!
I thin he has definately lost confidence though, especially in the front, as that is what he bemonas all the time. Get that abck and I think he is there, but its whether they can ever get it back! |
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They are waiting on one of these new construction tyres for the front though, are they not? You can see the rears have more grip though, seem to be pushing the front on in some strange places. Seems strange to me they would introduce one without the other.
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Was that not the trouble Stoner had while he was at Ducati in 2010 as well? I don't think it's just the tyres, I think the front end of the bike in general has it's own issues, but the tyres just magnify the problems.
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Did Stoner ever express how he was able to get the Ducati to run fast when no one else could? Stoner seems to be struggling with the front end at Honda now. Or is his struggle related to his weakened body?
If the latter, then Il Doctori's weakened body seems to be struggling with the front end too. The similarities between Valle and Massa and his F2012 are, for me, compelling. |
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I would like to know what toothpaste Stoner uses they seem to shine well
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Stoner for some reason got massive arm pump, something he has struggled with before. Maybe was a little tense and perhaps the newer bike is a little harder on the forearms.
My fave smile was Dani'd, the one everyone expected to siffer physically, he was beaming as he knew he had the beating of Stoner! I am beginning to think Bridgestone are a little lax, they introduced a tyre a few years ago that was almost suicidal! A slight drop in temp and it was throwing people down, and now they have two differing tyres in the same class, seems a little odd. Get Dunlop on board supplying the field! |
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I just checked the laptimes on motogp.com
Rossi was actually quite consistent .. but slowish still the incident with Abraham when he was forced off lost him contact with the group quite probably he could've stayed with them |
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Just did a quick fast lap analysis. None of the factory riders were faster on the 1000 over the 800. Most of the riders set their fastest laps on the 1000's on about lap 4 or 5. In the 800's it was a lot more varried. The overall race distance took longer in 2012 for all six riders. Biggest difference though is the tires.
Rider / 2011 / 2012 / Diff. Stoner / 1:55.366 / 1:55.541 / +0.175 Pedrosa / 1:55.392 / 1:56.001 / +0.609 Lorenzo / 1:55.730 / 1:56.067 / +0.337 Spies / 1:55.812 / 1:56.958 / +1.146 Rossi / 1:56.053 / 1:57.144 / +1.091 Hayden / 1:56.600 / 1:56.881 / +0.281 |
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stoner closest to 2011 times but still lost the race ..
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It's strange Stoner was happy to know that his troubles in race were because of his arm. I would say it is a threatening thing because it can affect his whole season and moreover it is a problem that doesn't affect his team mate Pedrosa.
If I were Stoner I had preferred the trouble were some setup gitch or something like that, not my body. Big kudos to Pedrosa, he was a match for Lorenzo. We have to see if he can be a match for Casey in future events (without the infamous arm pump). Weak race for Spies. He needs to raise his game or I am afraid he will be discarded as a potential number one. This season there are not more excuses or delays; he has to perform. At the present, nobody can say he is better than Dovi... and Dovi was downgraded by Honda. Except for the surprising "Crashslow" ;-) (oh, just playing with words) , who was mighty, the rest of the field was not very exciting for the near future. |
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I thought Toby Moody had an interesting take on Stoner. He mentioned that Stoner didn't do any race simulations in testing. So perhaps the physical nature of the 1000's coupled with a race distance caught him out.
I have to agree on Spies. He's always been known for taking things quite seriously and being well prepared, but I'm not convinced anymore. With that said, he made what was a pretty good start for him, but he clearly had setup issues. Watch the following video at 0.23 seconds and you can see just how bad the chatter was for him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cVfH...69FAAAAAAAAAAA Last edited by jhansen; 12 Apr 2012 at 00:01. |
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TM's is a good argument. Let's see next race.
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hi folks, just saw the race and no wonder Luthi gave the little bugger a smack after the flag. I was actually hoping to read that a penalty had been given to him post race, but alas, no. As others stated, one does suspect that things may get rough in the future.
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