NZV8's 2011/12 - Page 37

Goat Boy · 13 Mar 2012, 04:57 (Ref:3039159)

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Originally Posted by promax

ummm soccer? *shrugs*

i doubt Mr Fine's announcement on Saturday was meant to have any bearing on the future of ST. the ST side have picked their path.. as have the NZV8 side.

Come on, I'd expected a better response than that!

Fairlane GTA · 13 Mar 2012, 04:58 (Ref:3039160)

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Originally Posted by RogerH

Not too sure about Edgell as the whisper was Chesters were looking at a ST??

Not at present.

Jerico · 13 Mar 2012, 06:57 (Ref:3040111)

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Originally Posted by promax

oh please! there was a V8 falcon and V8 commodore class in the 60's? really? NZV8 and ST design their series around V8SC, both use the same type of car (V8 falcons and commodores), both dress up their cars like V8SC, both target the nz V8SC fanbase, both sell their series as a nz version of V8SC. how many times did ST slip "V8SC" into their press releases while promoting their series. no doubt they'll still have a "V8SC" reference on their wikipedia page.

Group C . Long before Supercars.

Mr Revhead · 13 Mar 2012, 07:04 (Ref:3040113)

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Originally Posted by Goat Boy

Pretty childish sort of post, really, but I guess that is to be expected (listening for sounds of toys being thrown out of cot...).

In all seriousness your posts here are nothing but trolling.
The amount of untruths, outright lies and bs is astounding!
It is quite clear your only purpose here is to run down the NZV8s.

I was quiet serious when I said to read your posts out loud.

Goat Boy · 13 Mar 2012, 07:13 (Ref:3040116)

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Originally Posted by Mr Revhead

In all seriousness your posts here are nothing but trolling.
The amount of untruths, outright lies and bs is astounding!
It is quite clear your only purpose here is to run down the NZV8s.

I was quiet serious when I said to read your posts out loud.

And nyah to you too, sir!

I'm afraid you will need to point out exactly where my lies are, since I am not in the habit of telling them, but it is a word you seem to use freely. Perhaps it is why you are where you are and everyone else has left...

I have opinions on things and I will clearly state them as such, and I will report something as fact when it is pertinent to information I have to hand. So I am unsure exactly which post(s) you refer to but you are welcome to highlight them and I will defend them accordingly.

Which I somehow doubt you could do with the assertions and aspertions you so liberally cast around these forums...

Mr Revhead · 13 Mar 2012, 07:15 (Ref:3040117)

Like I said, refer to your posts. I'm not picking any out. Not excluding any.

Goat Boy · 13 Mar 2012, 07:27 (Ref:3040119)

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Originally Posted by Mr Revhead

Like I said, refer to your posts. I'm not picking any out. Not excluding any.

Once again I expected as much. Your comments on this topic and the V8ST topic are only ever destructive or critical, as opposed to constructive. How about putting something positive down about how you want to turn things around or how excited you are with the new developments (Promax at least does that). But you seem only able to post bitterness and rage...

Although we are in agreement on the V8SC venue thread.

Mr Revhead · 13 Mar 2012, 07:30 (Ref:3040120)

I can't help it if the truth is destructive.

Positive? I don't see a lot of anything positive in the top Tier.
I think Tier 1 is dead. And I doubt the longevity of the STs in their current format. Winter races and not much racing, and lack of support class interest.

Positive.... Hey classic racing in NZ is pretty good!

promax · 13 Mar 2012, 07:35 (Ref:3040121)

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Originally Posted by Jerico

Group C . Long before Supercars.

Group C was a V8 Falcon and V8 Commodore class? really?

Goat Boy · 13 Mar 2012, 07:39 (Ref:3040122)

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Originally Posted by Mr Revhead

I can't help it if the truth is destructive.

Positive? I don't see a lot of anything positive in the top Tier.
I think Tier 1 is dead. And I doubt the longevity of the STs in their current format. Winter races and not much racing, and lack of support class interest.

Positive.... Hey classic racing in NZ is pretty good!

Excellent, I agree with most of that!

Goat Boy · 13 Mar 2012, 07:40 (Ref:3040123)

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Originally Posted by promax

Group C was a V8 Falcon and V8 Commodore class? really?

Well there were Falcons and Commodores racing in it, although it switched to Group A not long after the Commodore arrived. There's another thread about the Group C's though...

Jerico · 13 Mar 2012, 07:46 (Ref:3040124)

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Originally Posted by Goat Boy

Well there were Falcons and Commodores racing in it, although it switched to Group A not long after the Commodore arrived. There's another thread about the Group C's though...

Did it change 84 or 85 GB?

Jerico · 13 Mar 2012, 07:51 (Ref:3040127)

DJ went to the Mustang in Group A from memory.

promax · 13 Mar 2012, 07:52 (Ref:3040128)

so were Mazda RX7 and Nissan Bluebirds

Goat Boy · 13 Mar 2012, 07:53 (Ref:3040130)

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Originally Posted by Jerico

Did it change 84 or 85 GB?

Hmmmm, I'd have to think hard about that (or Google it), it was a while ago! Wiki says first Group A was 85, which fits with my memory because I remember discussing it with a mate at Uni.

Jerico · 13 Mar 2012, 07:58 (Ref:3040132)

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Originally Posted by Goat Boy

Hmmmm, I'd have to think hard about that (or Google it), it was a while ago! Wiki says first Group A was 85, which fits with my memory because I remember discussing it with a mate at Uni.

VK started 84 and there was the VK Group C. Great car. Wouldn't look that out of date on the track today. I think you are right 85.

Goat Boy · 13 Mar 2012, 09:55 (Ref:3040167)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/50415738@N04/5210231996/

That's a great looking car!

promax · 13 Mar 2012, 18:51 (Ref:3040453)

group c and group a.. 2 classes that have nothing in common with st lol

st is more like camaro cup. all that is missing is a couple of bow-tie badges

Goat Boy · 13 Mar 2012, 20:00 (Ref:3040505)

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Originally Posted by promax

group c and group a.. 2 classes that have nothing in common with st lol

st is more like camaro cup. all that is missing is a couple of bow-tie badges

They don't have a lot in common with anything much these days!

Hey what would be to stop someone making a VK shell for an ST and painting it up like an HDT Commodore? Wonder if the regs say it has to be a VE or FG...

RogerH · 13 Mar 2012, 20:28 (Ref:3040529)

I wonder how realistic are the chances of a new manufacturer entering the revamped NZV8 class.

The MSNZ press release included the following :

"... the NZV8 championship would be opened up to any manufacturer-approved body and any V8 engine tuned to meet the required performance criteria .... With the exception of the engines, all the technical components will be identical.”

So it looks like the only components from a new manufacturer will be the engine and some "look-alike" body panels made to fit the standard space frame chassis and roll cage structure. Everything else will have no relationship to the new manufacturer (not unlike the ST).

I can't see any Mercedes, BMW, Toyota or anyone else's engine and body panels being allowed to be used unless head office in Germany or wherever has given permission. The question is - why would they permit this to happen with a car that is 80% not their make in little old New Zealand? What's in it for them in such a small market?

The next thing, is who is going to pay for engine development? If the car is being presented as a BMW, for example, they are going to want to make sure the engine is done properly as the negative impact from it under performing or failing would be unacceptable. The same question again - why would they bother to do this in such a small market?

The concept of the introduction of new manufacturers sounds fantastic but I fear the reality is somewhat different and I wonder if it was just a dream of the PR people to get some positive publicity for the NZV8s?

Mr Revhead · 13 Mar 2012, 21:11 (Ref:3040558)

The above is also 100% applicable to the STs. Infact even more so as they cannot use their own engine at all.

Goat Boy · 13 Mar 2012, 21:20 (Ref:3040563)

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Originally Posted by RogerH

I wonder how realistic are the chances of a new manufacturer entering the revamped NZV8 class.

The MSNZ press release included the following :

"... the NZV8 championship would be opened up to any manufacturer-approved body and any V8 engine tuned to meet the required performance criteria .... With the exception of the engines, all the technical components will be identical.”

So it looks like the only components from a new manufacturer will be the engine and some "look-alike" body panels made to fit the standard space frame chassis and roll cage structure. Everything else will have no relationship to the new manufacturer (not unlike the ST).

I can't see any Mercedes, BMW, Toyota or anyone else's engine and body panels being allowed to be used unless head office in Germany or wherever has given permission. The question is - why would they permit this to happen with a car that is 80% not their make in little old New Zealand? What's in it for them in such a small market?

The next thing, is who is going to pay for engine development? If the car is being presented as a BMW, for example, they are going to want to make sure the engine is done properly as the negative impact from it under performing or failing would be unacceptable. The same question again - why would they bother to do this in such a small market?

The concept of the introduction of new manufacturers sounds fantastic but I fear the reality is somewhat different and I wonder if it was just a dream of the PR people to get some positive publicity for the NZV8s?

My exact sentiments from one of my earlier posts, but with more detail

I would have thought if there is going to be any additional manufacturer interest, it would be with the ST's and not the NZV8's, which without Fogg are starting to look a bit like a one-horse-race. Although Bargs may drive again next season but would he really be all that interested?

I agree too that it might be something of a PR spin from MNZ/TMC to try to revive interest in the series, I seriously doubt it will happen though. The numbers just don't add up.

promax · 13 Mar 2012, 22:45 (Ref:3040629)

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Originally Posted by Goat Boy

They don't have a lot in common with anything much these days!

well...

Goat Boy · 13 Mar 2012, 23:38 (Ref:3040651)

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Originally Posted by promax

well...

LOL!

Goat Boy · 13 Mar 2012, 23:39 (Ref:3040653)

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Originally Posted by Mr Revhead

The above is also 100% applicable to the STs. Infact even more so as they cannot use their own engine at all.

Well Ford seem to be okay with it, so I can't see why other manufacturers wouldn't - they might be more keen to ensure they had a good driver though!

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