Nico (DEU) vs TGF (DEU) 2

[beau1]

Originally Posted by Knowlesy

And my mother would be a car if she had wheels.

I'd give her a drive .

[Knowlesy]

[spider]

Is there a driver in the field who has consistently over the last 18 months or so performed so poorly against their team-mate?

I too feel sorry for him now. Even though he's quite a cold character and comes across as quite difficult to like most of the time, he is a legend and you get the impression it's dawning on him that he's simply out of his depth now...

[gttouring]

Possible, however in defense, nick was paassed with similar ease when some one came up on him. While TGF has not been up to snuff per team mate or his standard, the mercedes car is not a maclaren or needy designed redbull, it isn't a great one

[Born Racer]

The Mercedes is not great, but it is good-very good. Schumacher is making life difficult for himself by having so many incidents. It seems to be every few races that he's pitting on the first lap for a new wing.

[Schummy]

He brings the "retouching front wing in pitstop" concept to a new level.

[Born Racer]

Out of curiosity Schummy, does your username bear any relation to the esteemed most successful Formula 1 driver of all time?

[Schummy]

Originally Posted by Born Racer

Out of curiosity Schummy, does your username bear any relation to the esteemed most successful Formula 1 driver of all time?

Oh...err... ... my nick is from the great 7 times composer Robert Schumann.

[Born Racer]

It's just you do not appear to be a fan. Or perhaps you are a fan but not a "fanboy".

[Schummy]

I was a "fan" in his first seasons, I think he was as special as Senna and Prost, for example. Even in qualifying or in the wet he was awesome. I never was a fanboy, though, so I could see how he lost a bit of his raw speed over the years, and now I think he is a normal good F1 driver (worse than Nico, by the way).

Anyway, what he achieved when in his prime (his first years) is "immortal", so I have not any problem with him doing not so well nowadays.

For reference, my fav F1 driver ever was Gilles. And my two worst days following motor racing (since 70s), apart from Gilles' accident, were Greg Moore and Daijiro Kato's accidents. Huge waste of talent and the lost of two young and nice human beings.

[Born Racer]

Nico VS Michael: no contest.

But Michael's pace wasn't awful in Turkey and were it not for his crappy racecraft in the Petrov incident, he ought to have been on for a much better result.

He's got to start improving qually and his wheel-to-wheel stuff.

[wnut]

Originally Posted by Born Racer

The incident with Petrov really was a pity for him. He seemed to be tempted to turn in, then appeared to have realised to be patient, then at the last moment turned anyway even though Petrov was right there. It was really poor racecraft at any level of motorsport.

I thought this too. It looked like he expected Petrov to be faster through the corner than he was. I think he was trying to duck under Petrov on the way out of the corner and was caught when Petrov hesitated or parked the Renault on the apex to prevent this manoeuvre.

[Mr V]

Originally Posted by Born Racer

were it not for his crappy racecraft in the Petrov incident, he ought to have been on for a much better result.

If my sister had a willy, she'd be my brother

[Born Racer]

Originally Posted by Mr V

If my sister had a willy, she'd be my brother

I know your point is that I'm clutching at straws, but I don't think anyone would claim the hypothetical sister-brother scenario you pose is of equal probability as Schumacher getting through a Grand Prix with such an error. Hence my defence of Schumacher.

Also, I was quite impressed with his move round the outside of Alguersuari and the move on Sutil. Michael himself acknowledged post-race that he was more at fault for the Petrov incident and that he needed to look at it again. I hope he does study it well and learn from it, so we can see what he's really made of.

[gttouring]

A big issue I hadn't though of is MS does not know who he is racing well not like he knew folks at ferrari. A few years have gone and a few drivers out there in the field are a bit wild, and how do you deal with someone you can't read? Eg petrov etc.
obviously this isn't true for the front runners Mac, ferrari, redbull and a certain williams guy

[Knowlesy]

TGF should be able to read them easily, they will have idolised his racing 'style'.

[Massa_number1]

i think he could retire at the end of the season with some pride intact if he just somehow wins a race this season (i know i know very highly unlikely)

to win a race at 42 years old in modern f1 would be a very good achievement and would allow him to leave with dignity it would be horrible if he carried on all season like this scrapping for 6th-10th what a bad way to bow out

[Schummy]

MS just needs to be about 0.5 seconds faster. It will heal any reading trouble he have.

[herowassenna]

Haven't been in, in a while and all comments are fascinating.
Whatever the biology or psychology involved, TGF is a 42 year old man competing against much younger athletes, who have all adopted his fitness regime. He said in an interview last year, that a 41 year old Schumacher couldn't possibly compete with a 20 something Schumacher. So he himself is aware of that.

His time in F1 coincided with sprint style F1, whereby the fittest drivers could run flat out for the race. He also had a team built around him by Todt and Montezemolo which tested practically everyday for the glory of Michael, and to be completely honest, he didn't exactly have much in the way of opposition did he?
I know people will say Mika, JV, Hill etc, but unless they were in that years "Newey" car, they were not good enough ( Hill excepted in Arrows and Jordan ) to win in anything else

I'm grateful, as a Ferrari fan, that TGF drove for the reds, because between 1994 and 2004 he was the best out there.
But in 10 years he sanctioned every team-mate, something that Briatore granted him at Benetton too.
I think Brawn would have let him at Mercedes, but he's not stepping up to it.

Luca, I think realised in 2005 that TGF was coming to the end of his effective F1 career and signed Kimi as a long term replacement, and Michael..... chose to retire

[JeremySmith]

Michael had two more good years left in him at that time, but was pushed from Ferrari to make way for the Kimster..

[Empty Box]

...Who will now be driving trucks. lol

[gttouring]

The kimster ha in trucks I hope he tears it up. I am rooting for MS to get o n the rostrum andmaybe win one. If not figure it out and take it all bck.

[wnut]

Quote from Ross Brawn
"It's just looking at things that go wrong, "the Englishman added. "They are quite small and I know they are all significant but in Turkey up until final qualifying he looked incredibly strong. Then in final qualifying we had some problems. It's just that last little bit we've got to finish off. If he was slow from the beginning, then you'd be worried but I'm mot worried because he is still very quick."

from: http://www.pitpass.com/43616-Brawn-p...humacher-fears

Earlier there were concerns over the quality of Schumacher's engineering team, maybe they should look at them again! There seem to be continuous technical problems on that car. Barrichello seemed to have many of the same glitches when teamed with Button - same crew? Problems in Australia, problems in Turkey others?

Note to self: Stand back from computer as it begins to melt with invective at the thought that anybody but Schumacher may be to blame for lack of performance.

[JeremySmith]

Originally Posted by gttouring

The kimster ha in trucks I hope he tears it up. I am rooting for MS to get o n the rostrum andmaybe win one. If not figure it out and take it all bck.

It just shows he is not afraid to try anything, good for him..

[Schummy]

Kimi drives trucks just like Prost drove trucks in 1991