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Me too. Ya know he was a cop? Three others in the car died as well.
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Latest is that Toyota are recalling several hundred thousand Priuses (Prii?) to resolve the braking software issue. I can see how all this will harm Toyota in the minds of many consumers, but I'm sure that many more will stand by the brand because they know that on the whole their reputation for reliable cars that are well put together using quality materials is justified. One thing I think we'll see is that Toyota's high standards of customer service mean that the recall process will be relatively painless for customers. I dread to think what chaos would ensue if Audi ever have such a large scale recall. |
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As far as the supplier, due to the longstanding nature of the problem, I can't believe they are at fault. Toyota would have instructed CTS on the design that their assemblies would meet from drawings, and as long as CTS matched the assembly drawing specifications for dimensions and tolerances and material that would be called out, they are in the clear. That's the common standard for manufacturing on this scale nowadays unless you're going to high-end items such as fuel pumps, fans, turbochargers, alternators, etc. that would be supplier-controlled. The problem for CTS is that the throttle pedal assembly drawing and its component part drawings are probably Toyota-proprietary, so they can't show it to the public saying "see? we matched the print, it's not our fault". If it was an issue from what CTS manufactured, Toyota SQI (Supplier Quality Insurance) should have caught it, and considering they're recalling some vehicles from way back in 2007 made in several different plants, I don't see how it could be CTS' fault, otherwise a ton of Toyota SQI people from a lot of different plants are about to get fired. Toyota SQI would check to make sure a random sample from parts coming match the print specifications. If not, they notify CTS and CTS would take on the full cost of the parts received and CTS would have to make new parts that match the print, and probably a financial penalty for stopping the assembly line from operating on top of it. If they meet the drawing, than that is Toyota's acceptance of the parts saying that CTS did their job correctly and they take ownership of the parts. The long-term back in the past of the recall is why I don't think it's CTS' manufacturing fault and is instead a Toyota design fault. Although now with the brake issues, it appears it could be an ECU problem, which would link that with the accelerator issues. Last edited by Flyin Ryan; 9 Feb 2010 at 13:44. |
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My sister drives a stick-shift Ford Focus. My dad made sure both of us knew how.
And if you know how to drive a manual, you might as well buy a car with a manual, it's better gas mileage (why hasn't the green police focused on more manuals vs. automatics? is it because none of them know how to drive a stick?), costs less in original price, and in order to drive a stick you're mentally required to be more focused on driving and it makes you more aware of what you're doing in my opinion. As my primary vehicle is a stick and I seldom drive anything else, it's always weird when I get into an automatic because when I go to turn the ignition I stop for a second because my left foot is telling me "I should be doing something". Last edited by Flyin Ryan; 9 Feb 2010 at 14:45. |
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i'm glad you've said that, but i bet you are in the minority. someone i used to work with moved to the US when her husbands job required it. she reported back not long after going out that she was astounded at how basic and useless the driving test was. not sure if that was state specific or even basic due to already owning a UK license, but lets just say it took 3 mins of her time to pass and you get the idea.
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When working in the D R Congo last year I had to take a driving test. Took all of 5 minutes and could have been passed by a child of 10!!! Mind you I don't know what I am going to do with my Congolese driving license now. Sure as hell don't want to go back there!! |
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And now it would appear that Honda were feeling left out and have decided to do a recall all of their own. Concerns about passenger airbags.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8507450.stm |
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i'm waiting for BMW to recall their cars for faulty indicators
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I saw a program about taking a driving test in India where lots of people don't take the test themselves but get someone else to do it for them.
Also in one scene there were three people and the examiner in the car and only one drove, but he passed all three as the other two's comments impressed him !!!!!! Mind you they were young nubile "bits of skirt" |
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They need to do a recall on the 90% of drivers of all cars who don't use them. Nothing wrong with the indicators on mine, even effective combined with main beam to shift dodderers out of the overtaking lanes.
My old BMW did get recalled when it was about 10 years old. Something to do with suspension bushes IIRC. We've also got an 08 Yaris which I thought was due to be on the list. Where did you get the info that yours isn't? [edit] just checked the Toyota website and mine is affected, so I've completed the contact details, lets see what happens next[/edit] |
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Theoretically, at what point does a company "know" they have a problem that needs a recall? One death shouldn't make anyone take a kneejerk reaction and recall all the cars. It has to be investigated thoroughly and that takes time. Every single incident has to be checked individually & sometimes a common fault maybe found, but the cause of that fault may not be common. Only after many incidents, investigations and common causes of the same fault can someone practicably start contemplating recalling the cars. For that reason, and the tiny number of times they have reported the same issue, i can see why its taken them years to acknowledge the issue then start the recall. Think of it in a similar way to a pandemic. 1st its a local issue, then spreads to a town, then a county, then a country, then internationally. If its something new, like swine flu, you can't just shut down countries on the off chance its really bad. You take a calculated risk, and from what i can tell that is exactl;y what Toyota have done Yep used their recall microsite and confirmed via the VIN that it is not part of the recall. I'm assuming yours is not an SR |
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Anyone have a Corolla? If so, your car may be next on the recall list due to problems with the power steering.
So, Toyota make cars that can't brake, accelerator jams on and wont steer |
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