What is Aston Martin up to? - Page 19

HORNDAWG · 16 Aug 2008, 17:18 (Ref:2270167)

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Originally Posted by JAG

Gap = Budget option = Production engine?

Looking at Nurburgring qualifying, Aston Martin, in fact any petrol manufactuers looking in must be impressed by the pace of the Charouz Lola, encouraged enough to believe they could be genuine competitors against the diesels, especially as diesels will see engine restrictor cuts.

Lets not forget that there could be adjustments (cuts) to the GT based lumps also.

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In addition, the ACO will be looking at the comparative outputs of stock block and race engines in LMP1.

L.P.

mariantic · 16 Aug 2008, 17:25 (Ref:2270172)

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Originally Posted by JAG

Gap = Budget option = Production engine?

The "gap" Richards was referring to was specificaly LMP2. He stated Aston Martins were running in GT2, GT1 & LMP1 already - hence the gap.

Mariantic

**FIRE** · 16 Aug 2008, 17:27 (Ref:2270173)

and GT3 & GT4

HORNDAWG · 16 Aug 2008, 17:43 (Ref:2270183)

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Originally Posted by mariantic

The "gap" Richards was referring to was specificaly LMP2. He stated Aston Martins were running in GT2, GT1 & LMP1 already - hence the gap.

Mariantic

Agree 100%.

My point with the P-1 reference was to point out that the ACO may think/recognize they were to liberal with the homologated lumps in P-1 and would probably not be so liberal with the P-2 allowances/rules. As compared to pure race engines.

L.P.

ger80 · 16 Aug 2008, 17:52 (Ref:2270189)

on the other hand the power gap between P2 and GT2 is bigger compared to P1 and GT1.
But the ACO also wants to reduce P2 power .... Its time for the 09 regs ....

JAG · 16 Aug 2008, 18:47 (Ref:2270208)

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Originally Posted by HORNDAWG

Agree 100%.

My point with the P-1 reference was to point out that the ACO may think/recognize they were to liberal with the homologated lumps in P-1 and would probably not be so liberal with the P-2 allowances/rules. As compared to pure race engines.

L.P.

I think evidence is increasing Charouz' perfromance is down to the chassis and intergration of the engine, rather than pure engine performance.

At Le Mans the Dome Judd lapped as quick as the Charouz Lola, while Audi, with diesel power, are being left well behind Peugeots newer chassis, and struggling with the Lola.

All will be revealed when Acura's P1 hits the track with a race engine.

**joeb** · 16 Aug 2008, 21:49 (Ref:2270273)

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Originally Posted by ger80

on the other hand the power gap between P2 and GT2 is bigger compared to P1 and GT1.
But the ACO also wants to reduce P2 power .... Its time for the 09 regs ....

the AM gt2 engine has yet to impress (other than its ability to blow) so who would want one in a p2 to go against porsche et al?

deggis · 17 Aug 2008, 21:04 (Ref:2270667)

On RLM Hindy mentioned Howard-Chappell "hinting" something about next year... did they actually live interview him pre-race/yesterday?

Hugewally · 17 Aug 2008, 21:14 (Ref:2270676)

Could've been last week at Rd America...

deggis · 25 Aug 2008, 20:04 (Ref:2275168)

With a number of impressive showings from the Lola-Aston Martin LMP1 program in Europe, Howard-Chappell also noted that he’s been fielding a high volume of inquires about P1 engines for next season. “The ratio has been greater for calls about our LMP1 V12 engine, but that’s not something we’ll look to supply a large number of teams with. We’d rather keep a tighter control on where those engines go to insure Aston Martin as a brand is best represented.”

http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...port-blog//P3/

rdjones · 25 Aug 2008, 21:50 (Ref:2275250)

Well I have made a little discovery, I have found out that the GT1 winning car from this year has been sold to a Private Collector. Now what this means for the future I don't know, but IMO that means they have to being moving up into either LMP1 with a works team.

Dead-Eye · 25 Aug 2008, 22:07 (Ref:2275266)

Wasn't that the scheme for the whole DBR9 program? Sell the cars to private collectors who let the teams race them to own cars with racing histories.

Graham Goodwin · 26 Aug 2008, 06:45 (Ref:2275368)

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Originally Posted by Dead-Eye

Wasn't that the scheme for the whole DBR9 program? Sell the cars to private collectors who let the teams race them to own cars with racing histories.

Yup - The Team Modena car is a good example of exactly that

Aslak Vind · 26 Aug 2008, 07:40 (Ref:2275384)

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Originally Posted by Graham Goodwin

Yup - The Team Modena car is a good example of exactly that

Most of them has been owned by collectors all throughs their racingcareer..

Furthermore the owners have been told, that AMR will not need their DBR9´s after 2008..

dj choc ice · 26 Aug 2008, 20:46 (Ref:2275870)

Werent the BMS Scuderia Italia DBR9's owned by a collector or collectors as well but were kind of leased if you will to BMS in 2006 and 2007 or just one of the year's?

Interesting about the LMP1 spec 6.0 V12 engine, seems Aston arent going to give the engines away willy nilly like Judd did with their V10 engines, wonder which teams have been inquiring apart from most likely the whole of the LMP1 grid in the LMS

JAG · 26 Aug 2008, 21:18 (Ref:2275889)

Probably teams who aren't already involved in P1, as everyone else seems set-up for the years ahead, unless you believe Aston Martin will sell engines alone, and not as part of the Lola package.

Vitaphone, Modena, Jet Alliance, Barwell etc?

WMUCarGuy · 26 Aug 2008, 22:55 (Ref:2275936)

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Originally Posted by dj choc ice

Werent the BMS Scuderia Italia DBR9's owned by a collector or collectors as well but were kind of leased if you will to BMS in 2006 and 2007 or just one of the year's?

Interesting about the LMP1 spec 6.0 V12 engine, seems Aston arent going to give the engines away willy nilly like Judd did with their V10 engines, wonder which teams have been inquiring apart from most likely the whole of the LMP1 grid in the LMS

Makes sense though as Judd is in the business of selling racing motors, and while Aston is now doing that too, their main focus is to put them in the hands of teams that can positively promote the Aston Martin brand.

Tim the Grey · 28 Aug 2008, 00:54 (Ref:2276627)

7 litre V12s from 177...
Looking good here.

I cannot believe Judd EVER gave away engines. They are a tiny engineering concern in an industrial unit in Swift Valley, Rugby. Their neighbours were Miitsubishi WRC team...

The359 · 28 Aug 2008, 00:57 (Ref:2276628)

I don't think enough One-77s will be built to meet the engine production requirements for the 7.0L V12.

Tim the Grey · 28 Aug 2008, 00:57 (Ref:2276629)

Well, last time I passed Prodrive Banbury's Aston set up there were 2 bodyshells outside. Both in green...

Read into that what you will!

Tim the Grey · 28 Aug 2008, 01:00 (Ref:2276631)

Production BASED...
6 litre production, 7 litre developement...

The359 · 28 Aug 2008, 01:02 (Ref:2276634)

If it merely has to be production based, then the One-77 would have nothing to do with it, as it's all the same engine.

AstonGeoff · 29 Aug 2008, 07:13 (Ref:2277283)

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Originally Posted by Tim the Grey

Well, last time I passed Prodrive Banbury's Aston set up there were 2 bodyshells outside. Both in green...

Read into that what you will!

Bodyshells of what exactly?

CTD · 29 Aug 2008, 07:37 (Ref:2277291)

probably Lola's!

But is one of the the Charouz?, or is it AMR's own?, because then we could see 3 AMR Lola's next year

**FIRE** · 29 Aug 2008, 09:13 (Ref:2277329)

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Originally Posted by Tim the Grey

Well, last time I passed Prodrive Banbury's Aston set up there were 2 bodyshells outside. Both in green...

Read into that what you will!

To be clear:
Lola LMP1 bodyshells?
DBR9 bodyshells?
DBRS9 bodyshells?
...

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