complete list of UK club SS series

ss_collins · 8 Jun 2006, 21:48 (Ref:1630256)

Hi chaps I'm after a list of all UK club single series (ie SoM, mono) and also classes (ie Vee, FF16, FFZ or FFD)

I've lost my MN calendar - can anyone help?

Ian Sowman · 8 Jun 2006, 22:00 (Ref:1630264)

Covering off all single-seater championships here...

British F3, FRUK, FBMW, UKFF, FPA, Club F3, FRBARC, Club FFord (MS), (NW), Zetec, Combe FF1600, Classic FF2000, Classic FF1600, Jedi, Monoposto, F4, FVee, SEMSEC, BARC SE, DBT, Classic F3, Classic Racing Cars, FJ, Historic FFord, Formula Phoenix, Irish FF1600, Irish Vee, Sheane, Irish Libre, NI FF1600, NI Pre 1990 FF1600, Kirkistown Vee, Kirkistown Libre.

ss_collins · 8 Jun 2006, 22:22 (Ref:1630270)

is that all of them?

do you have average grids at all?

Ian Sowman · 9 Jun 2006, 07:59 (Ref:1630420)

Blooming heck Sam...

Yes, that is all of the championships or series listed on the 2006 MN calendar.

Ignoring the first five, let me guesstimate what we've seen this season:

Club F3 - low teens
FR BARC - mid to low 20s
Club FFord MS - mid teens
Club FFord NW - mid 40s
Club FFord Zetec - single figures
Combe FF1600 - low 30s
Classic FF2000 - high 20s
Classic FF1600 - high 20s
Jedi - low 20s
Mono - mid 30s
F4 - high teens
F Vee - mid 30s
SEMSEC - variable, usually single figures?
BARC SE - see above
DBT - high teens
Classic F3 - 20ish
CRC - 20ish
FJ - mid to high teens
Historic FFord - high 20s
FPhoenix - single figures
Irish FF1600 - high teens
Irish Vee - 20 plus
Sheane - mid teens
Irish Libre - variable
NI FF1600 - mid teens
NI Pre 1990 - around 10
Kirkistown Vee - low teens
Kirkistown Libre - variable, usual mostly sports racers

MikeBz · 9 Jun 2006, 15:37 (Ref:1630683)

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Originally Posted by Ian Sowman

SEMSEC - variable, usually single figures?

1st event (Brands) - 21 entries
2nd event (Lydden) - canned due to lack of entries.
3rd event (Lydden) - 8 entries.

Mike

Ian Sowman · 9 Jun 2006, 15:46 (Ref:1630688)

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Originally Posted by MikeBz

1st event (Brands) - 21 entries
2nd event (Lydden) - canned due to lack of entries.
3rd event (Lydden) - 8 entries.

Mike

So take out the two extremes, which is always a good idea when calculating a mean, and I was right!

ss_collins · 9 Jun 2006, 19:57 (Ref:1630810)

well there one obvious amalgamation there - SEMSEC and BARC-SE.

clearly no point in two series.

Club Zetec - amalgamate into F4

the irish I'm not so concerned about... (sorry chaps)

FF16 is lower than I thought - why not one national FF16 series - like Vee.

whats the UKFF grid these days?

Its not clear what is happening with Club F3, if it continues to struggle it needs to change to a more libre format, sort of Euroboss Junior

Ian Sowman · 9 Jun 2006, 20:01 (Ref:1630813)

UKFF is getting grids in the high 20s.

Why do you want to replace three regional FF1600 championships - two of which are outrageous successes - with one national championship and lose probably 50 per cent of your competitors. What would be the sense in that?

andy97 · 11 Jun 2006, 07:25 (Ref:1631475)

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Originally Posted by ss_collins

well there one obvious amalgamation there - SEMSEC and BARC-SE.

clearly no point in two series. Agreed, as long as they continue to use Stowe

Club Zetec - amalgamate into F4 or Monoposto 1800

BARC-SEC single seater races have been well supported in the past.

Ian Sowman · 11 Jun 2006, 09:00 (Ref:1631515)

Whether a championship was well-supported in the past is utterly irrelevant though. On current form, this isn't a go-er. And regardless of whether running as a series or a championship, the MSA shouldn't allow different organisers to arrange competing championships on a regional basis.

ss_collins · 13 Jun 2006, 23:46 (Ref:1633918)

I cand understand why the two SE series are allowed to co-exist - the MSA need a slap for that

Ian I think FF16 needs to rationalise a little - but thats another thread yet to be started...

Does FFUK still serve a purpose? discuss

Could F4 be amalgamated in to Mono 1800?

Oh and chaps next week it gets really fun - Saloons in nat n Club...

Redracer77 · 14 Jun 2006, 18:15 (Ref:1634503)

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Originally Posted by ss_collins

I cand understand why the two SE series are allowed to co-exist - the MSA need a slap for that

Ian I think FF16 needs to rationalise a little - but thats another thread yet to be started...

Does FFUK still serve a purpose? discuss

Could F4 be amalgamated in to Mono 1800?

Oh and chaps next week it gets really fun - Saloons in nat n Club...

F4 has an overage of just under 21 cars in 2006 with a number more expected to come out next season as cars get converted from FF1800 cars. Mono 1800 only has a couple real 1800 powered cars as the rest are either 2.0l or motorcycle engined stuff (Jedi's or Speads)

andy97 · 14 Jun 2006, 19:01 (Ref:1634535)

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Originally Posted by Redracer77

Mono 1800 only has a couple real 1800 powered cars as the rest are either 2.0l or motorcycle engined stuff (Jedi's or Speads)

Not quite true - the motor bike engined cars run in one of two classes of their own, Mono 1200 (modified) or Mono 1200 (Standard). So, the motor bike engined cars in F4 could certainly run with Monoposto.

Mono 1800 allows in cars with one of three engines types - F Ford Zetec, F Vauxhall Junior 16V or F Ford 2000 (Pinto). The only one of these that is not eligible to score points in F4 is the F Vauxhall Junior engined cars and even these are allowed in the F4 invitation class. So, the F4 Class E F Ford Zetecs and the F Ford 2000s could all run with Mono 1800.

In addition the Formual Renault's in F4 Class A are eligible for Mono 2000.

In fact, the only F4 cars that are not eligible for one of the Mono classes are those with modified engines ie the Class A modified Zetec cars and the older CVH engined cars.

The fact is that Mono and F4 do compete for the same participants and there is plenty of cross over; there are also examples of where people have raced the same cars in both championships. F4 seems to be slightly on the up this year but Mono also have had two very healthy grids at most places but, if the two series combined then there would be two awesome grids at virtually every round.

Redracer77 · 14 Jun 2006, 20:48 (Ref:1634637)

my point was that at the last race Mono race at Combe there was only 8 1800 class drivers in the race and only 2 that could race in F4. The 1800 cars seem to run in the 1200 class (the quicker cars). It would work to have all 1800 powered cars in F4 and leave the bike engined cars to race with the 2.0l mono cars. You would then get 2 strong championships.

andy97 · 14 Jun 2006, 21:12 (Ref:1634652)

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Originally Posted by Redracer77

my point was that at the last race Mono race at Combe there was only 8 1800 class drivers in the race and only 2 that could race in F4. The 1800 cars seem to run in the 1200 class (the quicker cars). It would work to have all 1800 powered cars in F4 and leave the bike engined cars to race with the 2.0l mono cars. You would then get 2 strong championships.

The 1800s run as a seperate class alongside a seperate Mono 1600 class and the two 1200 classes as described above in one race. Mono 2000 run as their own single grid.

In general terms I agree with you but there are almost certainly too many cars for a single Mono 2000 and bike engined grid. Mono still puts out 2 decent sized grids at most meetings. In my ideal world Mono 2000 could run a race with F4 class A in one grid, F4 Class E would run together with Mono 1800 and Mono 1600 in another grid and the bike engined cars would have their own grid (particularlyy if the Jedis were involved too).

Redracer77 · 15 Jun 2006, 09:31 (Ref:1634890)

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Originally Posted by andy97

The 1800s run as a seperate class alongside a seperate Mono 1600 class and the two 1200 classes as described above in one race. Mono 2000 run as their own single grid.

In general terms I agree with you but there are almost certainly too many cars for a single Mono 2000 and bike engined grid. Mono still puts out 2 decent sized grids at most meetings. In my ideal world Mono 2000 could run a race with F4 class A in one grid, F4 Class E would run together with Mono 1800 and Mono 1600 in another grid and the bike engined cars would have their own grid (particularlyy if the Jedis were involved too).

Was Combe a one off then as all the 1200, 1600 and 1800's raced together but still had a quite small grid?

Redracer77 · 15 Jun 2006, 09:35 (Ref:1634894)

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Originally Posted by andy97

The 1800s run as a seperate class alongside a seperate Mono 1600 class and the two 1200 classes as described above in one race. Mono 2000 run as their own single grid.

In general terms I agree with you but there are almost certainly too many cars for a single Mono 2000 and bike engined grid. Mono still puts out 2 decent sized grids at most meetings. In my ideal world Mono 2000 could run a race with F4 class A in one grid, F4 Class E would run together with Mono 1800 and Mono 1600 in another grid and the bike engined cars would have their own grid (particularlyy if the Jedis were involved too).

It would never happen that the 750mc would allow cars (mono 2.0l) to race in F4 as it would put off the normal drivers. If they put a 1.8l in and reduced the webers then yes but they would not bother would they? With so many 1800 lumps around as spares or new engines it would be silly to go to 2.0l

andy97 · 16 Jun 2006, 09:13 (Ref:1635683)

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Originally Posted by Redracer77

Was Combe a one off then as all the 1200, 1600 and 1800's raced together but still had a quite small grid?

The 1200s, 1600s and 1800s usually race together as one grid (the 1800s used to race with the 2000s but for this year it was decided that it was a better fit to put the 1600 and 1800 in the same race). ASFAIK this grid was 23 strong at C Combe, whilst the grid for Mono 2000 cars was 20.

I don't class these as small grids and both were close to Monos average grid sizes.

If Mono can sustain 2 grid sizes like this - which it has done for a few years now and F4 can sustain an average grid of 21 then the two can co-exist very happily.

It would be good, though, to have an end of season clubman single seater festival in which Club F3, Mono, F4, the regional FF 1600 and F Vee championships could all race on the same bill.The arguments in the bar about which series was better, cheaper, faster, more competitive etc would be as much fun as the racing!

ss_collins · 16 Jun 2006, 11:32 (Ref:1635755)

that sounds fun - but can you imagine the arguments over who gets the garages?

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