Homologation

Marbot · 15 May 2006, 17:11 (Ref:1610802)

Max is still going ahead with engine homologation,this despite a recent technical group meeting which voted against it.http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=35936

DeoValente · 15 May 2006, 18:20 (Ref:1610846)

I bet Mclaren-mercedes is very happy with such an idea

Pingguest · 16 May 2006, 07:31 (Ref:1611240)

So, Mosley has finally revealed himself as the great dictator of Formula 1.

pdman · 16 May 2006, 07:57 (Ref:1611267)

Can someone explain in laymans terms what this means ?

Are all cars going to get the same engine and if so whose will it be or is all further development banned after 2008 meaning whoever has the best engine at the time will continue to have the best engine since the other manufacturers will not be allowed to develop theirs and hence catch up...

Confused
pdman

BootsOntheSide · 17 May 2006, 10:56 (Ref:1612449)

The second explanation is correct. Teams will spend a huge amount before the start of 2008, but after that they will be stuck with teh same engine, posisbly having to rebuild it constantly if it's unreliable, and every private team will want the same engines for the next 3 years. I believe it's called cost-cutting.....

Suze · 17 May 2006, 12:49 (Ref:1612542)

Exactly, so if you have a bad engine, you're stuck with it. I don't agree....whether you're calling it cost cutting or not.

pdman · 17 May 2006, 13:35 (Ref:1612586)

It will be an interesting project for the Scrutinisers ....checking replacement engine parts are in no way modified ... think it will be a case of who can modify the engine whithout being detected ... and I know who my moneies on ...

Alex Hodgkinson · 17 May 2006, 13:46 (Ref:1612595)

So, what happens if a new engine manufacturer wants to join F1 during this "Ice Age..?"

pdman · 17 May 2006, 14:17 (Ref:1612615)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Hodgkinson

So, what happens if a new engine manufacturer wants to join F1 during this "Ice Age..?"

They need to have had the fore thought: designed, built and tested the engine before 2008 and have all the documentation to prove that was the case to the FIA.....

Dutton · 17 May 2006, 22:03 (Ref:1613030)

Well, there will be certain areas that are allowed to be developed.

So, from year to year, there will be a degree of improvement. It just won't be in the way we have grown accustom.

Given that some areas will be allowed to be developed, it makes you wonder how it is going to cost-cut...the teams will just spend the resources on those areas they can change.

(Let's not forget, too, the extra legal costs as the teams hire more lawyers in order to wrangle over what "development" means.)

johnh875 · 18 May 2006, 01:45 (Ref:1613109)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dutton

Well, there will be certain areas that are allowed to be developed.

So, from year to year, there will be a degree of improvement. It just won't be in the way we have grown accustom.

Given that some areas will be allowed to be developed, it makes you wonder how it is going to cost-cut...the teams will just spend the resources on those areas they can change.

(Let's not forget, too, the extra legal costs as the teams hire more lawyers in order to wrangle over what "development" means.)

I don't think they will save money at all - it will mean that instead of spending lots of time & money developing the current season's engine through the season, the teams will be working on next season's.

Marbot · 18 May 2006, 01:51 (Ref:1613111)

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnh875

I don't think they will save money at all - it will mean that instead of spending lots of time & money developing the current season's engine through the season, the teams will be working on next season's.

The engines are "frozen" for 3 or more years,so any development will be for an engine after that period,by which time the manufacturer may decide to quit anyway.Max knows what he's doing.

You can see where this is going.No manufacturer teams,just engines supplied to the likes of Williams,Mclaren etc.Just like the good old days.

Notso Swift · 18 May 2006, 04:49 (Ref:1613136)

So, if I was an idependent team I would sign a 1 year deal with X company, when Y's engine is prooven to be the best I would then jump ship, sure I would have to pay them a squillion, as they know that they have the best but that is OK, it is all in the name of cost cutting.
The other senario, BMW has a dog of a motor, simple they start to buy their motors from some one else, like Cosworth, and brand them Mini, or evan Fiat develop their own engine, which is provided to Ferarri (like the 80's) the fact that everyone who developed the old dog works on the new one is just a fluke...
Maybe we could see the return of names like Aisatach, wouldn't that be good...

Knowlesy · 18 May 2006, 04:50 (Ref:1613139)

I truly believed this silly rule would be abolished.....

It is not good....it is not F1.

Dutton · 18 May 2006, 05:29 (Ref:1613147)

Quote:

Originally Posted by martyn bott

The engines are "frozen" for 3 or more years,so any development will be for an engine after that period,by which time the manufacturer may decide to quit anyway.

The way I understood it they can develop certain areas of the engine as per normal, and the others can be changed if it is reliability orientated.

So, there will be development: it will just be different.

Essentially, there is enough of a grey area to satify the FIA's thirst for such thiings,

.

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