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Watch live on BBC or Sky depending which it is on. 36 32.73%
Watch only BBC live or delayed/highlights. 48 43.64%
Watch only BBC live (live or not bother). 16 14.55%
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Old 31 Jul 2012, 11:34 (Ref:3114171)   #2451
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It's come on a hell of a long way since Melbourne and is pretty much as good as the BBC ever was (when i saw it). Still, an hour and a half is just overkill - I was sick to the back teeth of F1 by the time the race started!!!
The trick is to record it and then start watching about 15/20 minutes in to the start of the broadcast, that way you can FF through the adverts and the "How To Fecking Watch" bits and you'll have caught up to being "live" around Martys Grid-Walk.
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It's come on a hell of a long way since Melbourne and is pretty much as good as the BBC ever was (when i saw it). Still, an hour and a half is just overkill - I was sick to the back teeth of F1 by the time the race started!!!
When skipping through I did notice a hell of a alot of Americanized graphics which I don't think the coverage needs. Might be a way of trying to modernise its appearance and to look more like their football coverage, but its not for me. I did stop fast forwarding when the driver stats came up and they had these cringe worthy shots of the drivers staring straight at a camera, some smiling, some looking confused which although naff, it was rather amusing. I don't think the BBC have ever been as good as that!! Maybe they could drop one of EJ's segments and introduce these NFL style stare cams?? lol.
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I did stop fast forwarding when the driver stats came up and they had these cringe worthy shots of the drivers staring straight at a camera, some smiling, some looking confused which although naff, it was rather amusing.
I like the way some of 'em take it seriously like Porn di Rector while TGF just grins because he doesn't give a monkeys
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It's the same with the footballers and Rugby players that Sky do this with. Some take it very seriously, others you can tell that they are getting the micky taken by team mates.
If you actually watch the NFL when the players do it, some of them take it very seriously with their full name and full Name of their college, whilst others will say their Colleges nickname.
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Martin Whitmarsh belives the pay per view deal for F1 has been positive.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/102005

While viewing numbers have been overall much the same as last year, with a second broadcaster they should in theory be growing?

Pay per view is likely to have an effect on the number of casual viewers in the longer term because of less visibility.
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Martin Whitmarsh belives the pay per view deal for F1 has been positive.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/102005

While viewing numbers have been overall much the same as last year, with a second broadcaster they should in theory be growing?

Pay per view is likely to have an effect on the number of casual viewers in the longer term because of less visibility.
I'm sure cost will have an effect as well.
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Martin Whitmarsh belives the pay per view deal for F1 has been positive.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/102005

While viewing numbers have been overall much the same as last year, with a second broadcaster they should in theory be growing?

Pay per view is likely to have an effect on the number of casual viewers in the longer term because of less visibility.
Martin is being very politically correct, viewership being roughly the same overall IS positive, no sponsor could complain at that. The BBC, however, is still the dominant broadcaster and from what I've seen still does the far better job overall, even without Brundle.

Wait until it goes totally PPV. Then I think you may see a change of mind from team owners as F1 would become a totally niche sport in this country.
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Martin is being very politically correct, viewership being roughly the same overall IS positive, no sponsor could complain at that. The BBC, however, is still the dominant broadcaster and from what I've seen still does the far better job overall, even without Brundle.

Wait until it goes totally PPV. Then I think you may see a change of mind from team owners as F1 would become a totally niche sport in this country.
Taking the world's biggest single sport to PPV is just shooting yourself in the foot!

It will kill F1!
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Taking the world's biggest single sport to PPV is just shooting yourself in the foot!

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World's biggest single sport??!!. Bernie's propaganda has worked. Do you mean largest viewing figures for a single event?

What about the World Cup final?
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Old 29 Aug 2012, 11:28 (Ref:3126837)   #2460
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World's biggest single sport??!!. Bernie's propaganda has worked. Do you mean largest viewing figures for a single event?

What about the World Cup final?
Yup, sorry that! 20 GPs per year x viewers has to be right up there!

Anyway how to make a big sport small, put it PPV!
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Yup, sorry that! 20 GPs per year x viewers has to be right up there!

Anyway how to make a big sport small, put it PPV!
Think about the football Premiership - every weekend 10 matches watched not just in the UK, but world-wide. Huge, I mean massive, in the Far East.It makes F1 look like a minority sport (which is how it should be , for me - get rid of these fair-weather fans and the johnny-come-latelies, give it back to those who've loved it for 50 years)

Anyhoo... PPV will almost certainly cause some of these newbies to lose interest pretty sharpish. They "love" it until something else comes along.
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Think about the football Premiership - every weekend 10 matches watched not just in the UK, but world-wide. Huge, I mean massive, in the Far East.It makes F1 look like a minority sport (which is how it should be , for me - get rid of these fair-weather fans and the johnny-come-latelies, give it back to those who've loved it for 50 years)

Anyhoo... PPV will almost certainly cause some of these newbies to lose interest pretty sharpish. They "love" it until something else comes along.
Yeah, tell that to the marketing Directors of Red Bull, Lucozade, Santander and any other consumer product sponsor who are actually paying for those eyeballs you are so happy to get rid of....
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for me - get rid of these fair-weather fans and the johnny-come-latelies, give it back to those who've loved it for 50 years)

Anyhoo... PPV will almost certainly cause some of these newbies to lose interest pretty sharpish. They "love" it until something else comes along.
There are fans who are diehard and who just can't afford PPV though. Its not just taking it away from channel hoppers but legitimate fans feeling the pinch too in many cases.

Also if newbies aren't given the chance to slowly get interested through exposure to the sport, what makes you think they will invest just to try it? Your opinion is flawed in many respects.
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There are fans who are diehard and who just can't afford PPV though. Its not just taking it away from channel hoppers but legitimate fans feeling the pinch too in many cases.

Also if newbies aren't given the chance to slowly get interested through exposure to the sport, what makes you think they will invest just to try it? Your opinion is flawed in many respects.
it's because I'm an old codger who liked the "the right crowd and no crowding" times. Days when you could walk round the paddock and talk to the drivers. I can't get my head round the modern "money at all cost" and intense promo of the sport.

You're right, of course.
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it's because I'm an old codger who liked the "the right crowd and no crowding" times. Days when you could walk round the paddock and talk to the drivers. I can't get my head round the modern "money at all cost" and intense promo of the sport.

You're right, of course.
I'm probably not as old as you but my father was around in era's of yesteryear meeting the likes of Jim Clark and James Hunt to name just two. He no longer watches the sport as he doesn't like the corporate way things have gone. He thought the 80's was bad! Anyway I have watched the sport for so many years and its just in my routine. I read about it every day and watch every race either live or recorded, but the way TV rights are going I will be unable to follow it properly as I have no chance of getting Sky installed. I might be considered the 'right crowd' amongst yourself and other enthusiasts, but I'm no longer the right crowd for the Sport itself. Sad, but I suppose it was always going to go this way.
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I'm probably not as old as you but my father was around in era's of yesteryear meeting the likes of Jim Clark and James Hunt to name just two. He no longer watches the sport as he doesn't like the corporate way things have gone. He thought the 80's was bad! Anyway I have watched the sport for so many years and its just in my routine. I read about it every day and watch every race either live or recorded, but the way TV rights are going I will be unable to follow it properly as I have no chance of getting Sky installed. I might be considered the 'right crowd' amongst yourself and other enthusiasts, but I'm no longer the right crowd for the Sport itself. Sad, but I suppose it was always going to go this way.
I still watch, having had Sky anyway for several years, although I watch the Beeb out of choice. I don't know why, because I moan all the time, but I suppose I still love it so much. I hate the "sameness" of it all, the fact that you wouldn't know what country you were in if you weren't told, the fact that all the drivers are so PR conscious they're afriad to say the wrong thing. But I can't stop.

The cars are great - the peak of engineering and creativity, it's just a pity that the knowledge available today means they've all come up with the same answer. The drivers are great - we're going through a phase at the moment where we have several drivers at their peak who would have stood out in any era. But I really loathe, I mean really detest, the way the sport is so homogenised, so generic, with hosting countries who have no real love for it, and fans/organisers being ripped off by faceless bankers, in it for the profits. I'm fully aware that the changes were inevitable, as big money was required to fulfil Bernie and CVC's dream of expansion and worldwide popularity.

Sorry for this OT rant. I'm a member of the Nostalgia Forum at the Autosport site - your dad would like that, highly recommended. You should hear what THEY have to say about modern F1, it makes me sound non-judgemental. Places like Bahrain, Malaysia etc are called "playmat" circuits. It's GP-lite as far as they're concerned.

If Sky continue to braodcast the races as part of a regular schedule, no probs. If they make it PPV per race, they can forget it. I'm off.
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If Sky continue to braodcast the races as part of a regular schedule, no probs. If they make it PPV per race, they can forget it. I'm off.
Surely they won't be that daft. It didn't work first time round so what makes them think it's going to be any more successful now.
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Am I the only one who choose BBC before Sky because I think Edwards/Coulthard are better than Croft/Brundle?
However, Edwards and Brundle would have been such an epic pair!
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If Sky continue to braodcast the races as part of a regular schedule, no probs. If they make it PPV per race, they can forget it. I'm off.
I think that there will be a shake up of some description in the subscription for the F1 Channel - making it Sky Sports Subs Only.

There is no way they will go PPV with F1.
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Am I the only one who choose BBC before Sky because I think Edwards/Coulthard are better than Croft/Brundle?
However, Edwards and Brundle would have been such an epic pair!
I do think the Croft-Brundle duet is more 'formal' whereas DC and Edwards has more 'warmth'. I prefer the latter but there's not a huge gulf between them , IMO
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Monza is a SKY only live weekend which means we're forced to listen to Croft and Davidson prattle on infuriatingly during free practice. For example:

During FP2 the camera pans into the Force India garage where Conor Daly smiles at the camera before panning back out again.

"That blokes happy" comments Croft. Wonder what he's doing there in a Lotus shirt....." Davidson gurgles inanely......

10 mins later "Oh I'ved just remembered that bloke's face. It was Conor Daly. Still don't know what he was doing in the Force India garage...." Davidson gurgles and adds that at least he's in a garage at a grand prix lucky chap or something similarly inane.

I find it infuriating that we have to PAY to watch this sort of amateur hour rubbish. They are being paid to know that Conor has done two straight line tests for Force India.

Thank God the BBC will be back for the next one. Listening to these two is damaging my health.
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That's what happens when you attempt to run a 24-hr channel for a limited number of events. Mind-numbing boredom whilst you wait for the real thing.

That's why I only watch Q3 and the race. How long before Sky reduce the channel to 6 hours a day?
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Ben Edwards is just a really quality commentator. Can't fault the man. He should have been given the F1 gig years ago (perhaps he was offered - I don't know).
Totally agree. Ben did F1 for Eurosport years ago, or was it Bernievision? I can't remember, but he is a total pro. Coulthard has also flourished now Brundle's departed.

Oh well, I'll watch the comedy crew live then the BBC highlights to find out what's been going on.
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