575 at Estoril

almzkid · 3 Oct 2003, 13:51 (Ref:739379)

Just wondering if the new 575 debuted at Estoril today. The fiagt website indicates in the results section that the JMB entries were still the old 550's. And there is no gallery or report from Practice 1 so if anybody has any insight that would be great.

paul-collins · 3 Oct 2003, 14:13 (Ref:739412)

That would be a glitch. dailysportscar reports that JMB have the 575 GTCs while BMS Scud. Italia and Care have the 550s.

Wicked looking car, too.

C_g · 3 Oct 2003, 18:23 (Ref:739659)

And the bodywork has changed on the 575 GTC since that official unveiling, esp around the front.

SALEEN S7R · 3 Oct 2003, 18:39 (Ref:739673)

One thing is for sure the 575 sure is on the pace! http://www.crash.net/uk/en/news_view...id=8&nid=78064 Lets hope the car can keep up the pace in qualifying.

almzkid · 3 Oct 2003, 18:50 (Ref:739685)

www.fastdetails.com has some nice pics..no kidding about the pace. 2nd and 7th right out of the box...very impressive and faster then 2 of the 3 BMS cars.

Nice Job

paul-collins · 3 Oct 2003, 18:59 (Ref:739694)

Somehow it looks more agressive, less refined than the 550. Wider wheelwells, I guess, and those open areas on the hood make it look mean.

I guess I'll have to wait until I get to see one in the flesh before I can tell which I prefer.

Chevyguy · 3 Oct 2003, 22:43 (Ref:739899)

On the pace? They're contenders. You had to beleive that car would be fast right off the bat.

It looks alot more sharp with decals on it.

SALEEN S7R · 3 Oct 2003, 23:20 (Ref:739919)

Yes it really is on the pace, and perhaps even a race win contender. But lets just keep things in perspective, we have only just had the 2nd free practise. And I think a lot of people are holding back a little. Not least the Konrad Saleen.

Tommorow we will know for sure the TRUE pace of the car. Still its one thing being fast, but reliable? Well lets just wait and see.

steve nielsen · 4 Oct 2003, 20:30 (Ref:740575)

EliseGT1 · 5 Oct 2003, 18:49 (Ref:741198)

Win for Babini and Peter "straight out of the box". Says enough IMO.

BSchneiderFan · 5 Oct 2003, 19:07 (Ref:741212)

Beginning of the end for the Prodrive 550s?

Fab · 6 Oct 2003, 06:02 (Ref:741549)

BSchneiderFan, you should be happy : your hero was DTM champion yesterday, at the end of a race won by Jean Alesi...

And I'm not sure the 550 is dead yet (see how healthy is the Viper)

SALEEN S7R · 6 Oct 2003, 08:28 (Ref:741622)

Id say the 550 is well not dead yet. But it will be by 2005. In 2004 I think the JMB 575 will be clearly ahead of the 550s, sure not by massess. But maybe just 3 or 4 tenths a lap. I mean the car has more power, more grip and is more areodynamic. And whilst its worth remember BMS arent the Prodrive operation, the cars are made and built by Prodrive. And the #23 line up is probably no slower than the Prodrive team. And the JMB still beat them - on pure pace.

As for the Viper, well I think the Viper in its current form is more or less finished to be honest. Perhaps the new generation of Vipers will be competitve though. But the current models? I dont think there will be any racing in the ALMS or FIA GT, perhaps in Belcar, Euro GT, British GT etc, but after 2005 I think they will die out completly.

917Addicted · 6 Oct 2003, 13:21 (Ref:741915)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SALEEN S7R
[B]Id say the 550 is well not dead yet. But it will be by 2005. In 2004 I think the JMB 575 will be clearly ahead of the 550s, sure not by massess. But maybe just 3 or 4 tenths a lap. I mean the car has more power, more grip and is more areodynamic. And whilst its worth remember BMS arent the Prodrive operation, the cars are made and built by Prodrive. And the #23 line up is probably no slower than the Prodrive team. And the JMB still beat them - on pure pace.

I small correction Saleen

The BMS 550 led 2 out of the 3 hour race (I know as I was Estoril yesterday). After the 1st hour, the JMB Ferrari was, something like, 20 seconds behind (even the ForceOne Viper was faster than the 575 GTC until it lost its brakes

).

So I think the Michelloto/N-Technology 575 is not that faster than the Prodrive 550.

(as a side note, the engine sound those V8/V12 Ferrari's and those Porsche Boxer-6 emit are really painful. I don't know how you can cope that at LeMans)

SFonseca · 6 Oct 2003, 13:37 (Ref:741930)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by 917Addicted
[B]

Quote:

Originally posted by SALEEN S7R
I small correction Saleen The BMS 550 led 2 out of the 3 hour race (I know as I was Estoril yesterday).

Wrong !!

2nd hour Stadings:
1- Biagi/Bobbi (Ferrari)
2- Babini/Peter (Ferrari)
3- Bryner/Livio/Calderari (Ferrari)
4- Gollin/Cappellari (Ferrari)
5- Zwaan/Zwaan/Abbelen (Viper)
6- Bertolini/De Simone (Ferrari) [1º N-GT]

917Addicted · 6 Oct 2003, 13:54 (Ref:741944)

Hum, Sfonseca, who is wrong here???

I mean, the BMS Ferrari is the Biagi/Bobbi one (the one leading at the 2 hour mark as you've written)

RM40 · 6 Oct 2003, 13:55 (Ref:741945)

How is that wrong? He said 2 out of the 3 hours; you posted the 2nd hour standings and right there is Bobbi/Biagi in the #23 BMS 550 leading. Did I miss something here?

Karl Kling · 6 Oct 2003, 14:05 (Ref:741958)

Quote:

(as a side note, the engine sound those V8/V12 Ferrari's and those Porsche Boxer-6 emit are really painful. I don't know how you can cope that at LeMans)

Oh, it's just like music!

917Addicted · 6 Oct 2003, 14:08 (Ref:741961)

Quote:

Originally posted by Karl Kling
Oh, it's just like music!

No it isn't! It's just too much damn noise! They could run a slight (and I mean slight) less engine noise (hey, think about this: will people attend another race if they find that there's too much noise??? IMHO the touring cars (because they're a bit quieter) sound much better). That's why nowadays there are so many problems in having races in some racetracks.

(Sorry for being offtopic)

SFonseca · 6 Oct 2003, 14:12 (Ref:741966)

Quote:

Originally posted by 917Addicted
Hum, Sfonseca, who is wrong here???

Me!!!

My excuses

917Addicted · 6 Oct 2003, 14:16 (Ref:741973)

Heheh, um tripeiro que aceita ter errado???

(Sorry for the Portuguese)

Karl Kling · 6 Oct 2003, 14:18 (Ref:741975)

Quote:

No it isn't! It's just too much damn noise! They could run a slight (and I mean slight) less engine noise (hey, think about this: will people attend another race if they find that there's too much noise??? IMHO the touring cars (because they're a bit quieter) sound much better). That's why nowadays there are so many problems in having races in some racetracks.

(Sorry for being offtopic)

Use some good, high quality earplugs. That way the noise levels will be kept down and you will be able to hear all those subtle overtones a race engine actually can create. It's quite interresting actually.

(also sorry for continuing this off topic debate...)

SFonseca · 6 Oct 2003, 14:18 (Ref:741976)

Os tripeiros também sabem quando erram...
É o que dá ler a 200Km/h...

(Sorry for the Portuguese)

**Dani Filth** · 6 Oct 2003, 14:45 (Ref:742008)

Quote:

Originally posted by 917Addicted
So I think the Michelloto/N-Technology 575 is not that faster than the Prodrive 550.

(as a side note, the engine sound those V8/V12 Ferrari's and those Porsche Boxer-6 emit are really painful. I don't know how you can cope that at LeMans) [/B]

i've heard that the sound of the V12 in the 575 is better even that of the 333SP ...

??????? so how should i belive???? .. i know .. i will aahve to decide myself when i will hear it .. but is the 6 boxer ... blah

no way the 550 is dead .. we still have not seen it battle with the Care cars ..

**skycafe** · 7 Oct 2003, 01:48 (Ref:742479)

Now, help me here. What is the difference between 550 and 575 other then engine displacment? Can't you just fit larger engine to 550? Also, as to body work differences, isn't it just a matter of undoing the dzus fasteners, fitting the new bodywork and you are off? Certainly, some of the venting may vary, but then you replumb the vents, right? Doesn't seem difficult to me to do retrofit. What am I missing?

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