[WTCC] Round 19 & 20 at Macau (20 November)

kmchow · 3 Oct 2005, 01:51 (Ref:1422408)

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Originally Posted by E46

Very good races. I have to say Giovanardi did a superb second race, however title chances are more difficult for him now in my opinion. Macau is a BMW track usually, and Müller and Priaulx have a good advantage.

It may sound negative but is Macau really a BMW track? Or does BMW seem to always just field more cars than everyone else? They kinda overwhelm all the other makes? Having more number of cars increases your chances of winning?

Monkey Head · 3 Oct 2005, 08:42 (Ref:1422549)

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Originally Posted by kmchow

It may sound negative but is Macau really a BMW track? Or does BMW seem to always just field more cars than everyone else? They kinda overwhelm all the other makes? Having more number of cars increases your chances of winning?

i am quite interested in this,too.
in last year BMW just won Seat for few seconds,even though SCHNITZER have much of data about macau(for sure not all are usful in case it's in first Super2000 race in macau).
But in SP age Carly have beated work team+driver Alfa 147,JAS Civic and Vic Lee 307.....

E46 · 3 Oct 2005, 11:48 (Ref:1422702)

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Originally Posted by kmchow

It may sound negative but is Macau really a BMW track? Or does BMW seem to always just field more cars than everyone else? They kinda overwhelm all the other makes? Having more number of cars increases your chances of winning?

In my opinion Macau is a good track for BMW, they have tons of experience and the slow corners are suitable for 320i.
SEAT was fast in 2004 there, but Toledo has been always a good car in slow tracks. I doubt if Alfa Romeo can be faster than SEAT at Macau.

JMeissner · 3 Oct 2005, 12:03 (Ref:1422717)

Well, I thinks its dreadful to have the WTCC finale at Macau. Where are people supposed to pass? There are not many places where there is room for two cars on that track.

A very nice street track, but to have the final race there, no thanks...

Monkey Head · 3 Oct 2005, 12:25 (Ref:1422735)

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Originally Posted by E46

In my opinion Macau is a good track for BMW, they have tons of experience and the slow corners are suitable for 320i.
SEAT was fast in 2004 there, but Toledo has been always a good car in slow tracks. I doubt if Alfa Romeo can be faster than SEAT at Macau.

in fact the downhill section very fast too in macau

Gil Abobeleira · 3 Oct 2005, 15:36 (Ref:1422942)

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Originally Posted by JMeissner

Well, I thinks its dreadful to have the WTCC finale at Macau. Where are people supposed to pass? There are not many places where there is room for two cars on that track.

A very nice street track, but to have the final race there, no thanks...

The run from the Melco harpin to the finish line and into The Hotel Lisboa is fast and there's enough room for everybody to overtake into the braking point at The Hotel Lisboa bend.

**FIRE** · 3 Oct 2005, 16:36 (Ref:1422983)

It's a shame there's more then 1,5 month between the Valencia and Macau race.

At which CET time is the Macau race?

**FIRE** · 3 Oct 2005, 16:40 (Ref:1422985)

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Originally Posted by Monkey Head

i am quite interested in this,too.
in last year BMW just won Seat for few seconds,even though SCHNITZER have much of data about macau(for sure not all are usful in case it's in first Super2000 race in macau).
But in SP age Carly have beated work team+driver Alfa 147,JAS Civic and Vic Lee 307.....

It's a shame Carly (with support of Watson's Water) will not race at Macau. I think they are the most succesful team of the last 5 or 10 years (correct me if I am wrong).

BTW I have made a Macau topic.

**Dani Filth** · 3 Oct 2005, 21:05 (Ref:1423177)

moving the discussion

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In my opinion Macau is a good track for BMW, they have tons of experience and the slow corners are suitable for 320i.
SEAT was fast in 2004 there, but Toledo has been always a good car in slow tracks. I doubt if Alfa Romeo can be faster than SEAT at Macau.

it could be . but ballast counts too ..

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But in SP age Carly have beated work team+driver Alfa 147,JAS Civic and Vic Lee 307....

BMW was front runner in SP .. neither Alfa or Honda was anywhere close . only the Primera of Ruustad(sp?) ...

Macau will be interesting .. for sure . team tactics could also influence .. Thompson&Farfus and even Tarquini will have low ballast so could be near the front

E46 · 3 Oct 2005, 21:32 (Ref:1423205)

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Originally Posted by Dani Filth

it could be . but ballast counts too ..

Giovanardi will be so heavy as Müller/Priaulx, this counts too.

**Dani Filth** · 3 Oct 2005, 22:01 (Ref:1423227)

of course . but Farfus&co won't .. Jorg will be rather heavy after Valencia

Monkey Head · 4 Oct 2005, 01:30 (Ref:1423305)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

It's a shame there's more then 1,5 month between the Valencia and Macau race.

At which CET time is the Macau race?

Macau is in GMT+0800
Race 1 start at 1140 local time

Monkey Head · 4 Oct 2005, 01:32 (Ref:1423306)

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Originally Posted by Dani Filth

BMW was front runner in SP .. neither Alfa or Honda was anywhere close . only the Primera of Ruustad(sp?) ...

Macau will be interesting .. for sure . team tactics could also influence .. Thompson&Farfus and even Tarquini will have low ballast so could be near the front

yup....and the reverse grid would make a red flag to race

in case it is a first reverse grid race in Macau

Monkey Head · 4 Oct 2005, 01:40 (Ref:1423309)

i moving here too:

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Originally Posted by FIRE

It's a shame Carly (with support of Watson's Water) will not race at Macau. I think they are the most succesful team of the last 5 or 10 years (correct me if I am wrong).

BTW I have made a Macau topic.

No surpised they won't come while they haven't made any race this year
(I am not so understand why they still lack of money that Watson's sponser so much)
they have a excellect result when make a debut in 2000

Moreover,this year most likely i'll be in there,here we go.

rustyfan · 4 Oct 2005, 10:47 (Ref:1423559)

With the Macau races now having proper WTCC status, I reckon it's going to be one helluva battle for the title. Can't wait!

Gil Abobeleira · 4 Oct 2005, 17:33 (Ref:1423821)

A pity the races are just 50 km long (that's what? 8 laps of the Macau racetrack

). I think this one will be a blast to watch (damn, I'll have to wake up in the middle of the night to see the streaming

).

**Dani Filth** · 4 Oct 2005, 21:17 (Ref:1423972)

good point .. is it Live on TV ..Eurosport ??

Monkey Head · 5 Oct 2005, 04:55 (Ref:1424145)

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Originally Posted by Gil Abobeleira

A pity the races are just 50 km long (that's what? 8 laps of the Macau racetrack

). I think this one will be a blast to watch (damn, I'll have to wake up in the middle of the night to see the streaming

).

just checked that this year they will add 1 lap to each race
IMO 9 laps still not long enough(remenber last year SC makes only 4 real laps each),but better than nothing

Or race distance would be extanded next year while spilt with GT?

Monkey Head · 5 Oct 2005, 05:57 (Ref:1424161)

will james kaye joining with GR Asia while he race of the team in ETCcup?

**FIRE** · 5 Oct 2005, 16:50 (Ref:1424549)

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Originally Posted by Dani Filth

good point .. is it Live on TV ..Eurosport ??

I think yes becaus every WTCC race was live on Eurosport this year.

**FIRE** · 5 Oct 2005, 19:06 (Ref:1424684)

I understand from the website of Engstler Motorsport the Asian Touring Car Championship (ATCC) has a race at Macau. Do they race together with the WTCC? The German team of Franz Engstler (leader in championship) enters 3 BMW's in the ATCC.

Source: http://www.engstler-motorsport.de

ravaglia · 5 Oct 2005, 22:46 (Ref:1424832)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

I think yes becaus every WTCC race was live on Eurosport this year.

If I remember correctly the Macau race will NOT be live on Eurosport......

Monkey Head · 6 Oct 2005, 02:11 (Ref:1424940)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

I understand from the website of Engstler Motorsport the Asian Touring Car Championship (ATCC) has a race at Macau. Do they race together with the WTCC? The German team of Franz Engstler (leader in championship) enters 3 BMW's in the ATCC.

Source: http://www.engstler-motorsport.de

Yes
div.1 (Super2000)will be in WTCC
div.2(SP)will be in CTM Cup
not sure how many car they will enter while only one car running after beijing round

Valker · 6 Oct 2005, 06:45 (Ref:1425044)

Protons are not S2000 so those won't drive with WTCC... Is there any other div.1 ATCC cars in S2000 spec than Engstler BMW's?

Monkey Head · 6 Oct 2005, 13:11 (Ref:1425331)

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Originally Posted by Valker

Protons are not S2000 so those won't drive with WTCC... Is there any other div.1 ATCC cars in S2000 spec than Engstler BMW's?

yes
Ao Chi Hong-toyota altezza
Chan Sun San-honda integra DC5
however both of them are not FIA homolagted model.....

for sure Protons not S200 car
meanwhile they should be approved by ATCC
they may be a shame for ATCC that not allow protons on the gird while it is FIA sactioned.....
so i am interested on it too,let's find the answer on monday
(MG's story on ETCcup would give us some hints too)

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