NZV8's 2011/12 - Page 11

promax · 12 Dec 2011, 09:00 (Ref:2998672)

btw Bob.. what does the H in HSV stand for?

Old_Bob · 12 Dec 2011, 09:18 (Ref:2998677)

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Originally Posted by promax

i wouldn't take the dig at Inky to heart

it was just GF trying to get a reaction

Reaction Granted...

Not getting at the current drivers/teams at all. We just need more of them...

I suggest that every team that would like the pits moved to the outside at Teretonga should send an email to advise the club of your opinions.. (Nicely

on_to_it · 12 Dec 2011, 09:46 (Ref:2998690)

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Originally Posted by promax

Championship Series Regulations

you might have to wait for it to be updated though

Thanks but it's the regs for the new 2012 car that interest me. I might have to email MSNZ.

on_to_it · 12 Dec 2011, 09:57 (Ref:2998695)

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Originally Posted by Old_Bob

If they were 'true' champions, would they not have shown some regard to the motorsport loving public of New Zealand by showing up in their current cars to provide a more exciting spectacle for us all?

At what cost though? Granted most of the top guys either have serious sponsorship, wealthy backers or independent means to move up to NZST (or a mix of the above) but why run a class you have turned your back on when most people in the know say they cost around $20k per round over the season. They might have money, but I doubt they have money to burn.

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Originally Posted by Old_Bob

MSNZ has done a lot of things wrong, but without them I wonder how many up & coming young drivers or non-elite classes would receive any TV coverage - and will someone let the media know that the support classes don't end with the Utes and little Suzuki's...

Suzuki pay for their coverage, and so do the Ute guys. MSNZ adds nothing to the kitty as far was I know. And that's why the support classes suffer from lack of TV, unless they have a class sponsor (hello Geoff, isn't that your job?)

GizzFan · 12 Dec 2011, 10:32 (Ref:2998709)

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Originally Posted by on_to_it

At what cost though? Granted most of the top guys either have serious sponsorship, wealthy backers or independent means to move up to NZST (or a mix of the above) but why run a class you have turned your back on when most people in the know say they cost around $20k per round over the season. They might have money, but I doubt they have money to burn.
Suzuki pay for their coverage, and so do the Ute guys. MSNZ adds nothing to the kitty as far was I know. And that's why the support classes suffer from lack of TV, unless they have a class sponsor (hello Geoff, isn't that your job?)

Mate shorty's to busy raising money for his and his sons racing careers to worry about anything else. 'Huggy bear' told me the utes paid TMC 180K for their share of the TV coverage, hate to think what Toymotors must pay TMC.

Point2 · 12 Dec 2011, 17:25 (Ref:2998853)

When I ran in SS2000 in 2009, my business also sponsored the series for the year. TV coverage was 10k a round which the class had to fund itself.
This was paid for out of membership fees and top ups from sponsors of the class.
Not cheap for a class that was all about cost saving racing.
The end result was crap coverage and to many ads.
Never paid for again under TMC.
The move to IRC reduced theses costs I'm sure.

Note TMC shareholder has a finger in the pie for the production house for TMC tv.
Pay to race, pay to watch, pay to record to watch later.

RogerH · 12 Dec 2011, 22:20 (Ref:2998948)

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Originally Posted by GizzFan

Mate shorty's to busy raising money for his and his sons racing careers to worry about anything else. 'Huggy bear' told me the utes paid TMC 180K for their share of the TV coverage, hate to think what Toymotors must pay TMC.

The financials at TMC seem a bit of a mystery. Apparently, TMC management refuse to disclose to their major shareholder (MSNZ members) how much Mr Short and Mr Cooper "earn" from TMC activities - I suppose its because they are embarrassed that it is so little.

on_to_it · 12 Dec 2011, 23:15 (Ref:2998970)

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Originally Posted by RogerH

... - I suppose its because they are embarrassed that it is so little.

That's Tui's billboard stuff - Yeah Right

promax · 12 Dec 2011, 23:21 (Ref:2998973)

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Originally Posted by Point2

When I ran in SS2000 in 2009, my business also sponsored the series for the year. TV coverage was 10k a round which the class had to fund itself.
This was paid for out of membership fees and top ups from sponsors of the class.
Not cheap for a class that was all about cost saving racing.
The end result was crap coverage and to many ads.
Never paid for again under TMC.
The move to IRC reduced theses costs I'm sure.

Note TMC shareholder has a finger in the pie for the production house for TMC tv.
Pay to race, pay to watch, pay to record to watch later.

so what did you actually get for your 10k per round in 09? just curious

promax · 13 Dec 2011, 02:55 (Ref:2999011)

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Originally Posted by Point2

When I ran in SS2000 in 2009, my business also sponsored the series for the year. TV coverage was 10k a round which the class had to fund itself.
This was paid for out of membership fees and top ups from sponsors of the class.
Not cheap for a class that was all about cost saving racing.
The end result was crap coverage and to many ads.
Never paid for again under TMC.
The move to IRC reduced theses costs I'm sure.

Note TMC shareholder has a finger in the pie for the production house for TMC tv.
Pay to race, pay to watch, pay to record to watch later.

so what were you meant to get for your 10k per round in 09? just curious

on_to_it · 13 Dec 2011, 03:21 (Ref:2999014)

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Originally Posted by promax

so what were you meant to get for your 10k per round in 09? just curious

Aaah, the old "I'll rephrase the question and see if anyone spots the difference" trick!

Maxwell S

promax · 13 Dec 2011, 05:06 (Ref:2999030)

nope.. no tricks

and i'm not having a go at Point2. just curious to know what Point2 was promised for his money

Icarus_nz · 13 Dec 2011, 05:34 (Ref:2999034)

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Originally Posted by RogerH

The financials at TMC seem a bit of a mystery. Apparently, TMC management refuse to disclose to their major shareholder (MSNZ members) how much Mr Short and Mr Cooper "earn" from TMC activities - I suppose its because they are embarrassed that it is so little.

It must be fun being told you're a shareholder and to simply trust that the blokes crowded around the till know what they're doing.
Isn't it time this 'boil' was lanced?

As for the mega-plan
http://www.nzracer.com/exciting-tran...pionships.html

(Prepared/Released by Dinnis Communications. That name seems strangely familiar...? Can't think why. I'm sure he's the best chap for the job.)

Prospective Sponsers think long and hard about where they spend their money. This half arsed plan wouldn't give me a scrap of confidence. How embarrassing.

Point2 · 13 Dec 2011, 06:02 (Ref:2999043)

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Originally Posted by promax

so what were you meant to get for your 10k per round in 09? just curious

All class where offered the same deal.
It was a package put together by TMC and Volt tv.

3 races from one round filmed using 2 fixed camera locations.
Incar you had to pay extra for which I did at a additional $500 per vehicle.
1 mid event interview with a driver in the pits.
I also did my five minutes of fame on sky sport being interviewed by Clint Brown.
Race commentary was done by Clint Brown and a ex Ss2000 racer in the studio a week later.

Was aired 3 times on speed week

All up there was about 9 minutes of racing, 3 minutes of interviews,

We where delivered what was offered but the end result left a sour taste in the clubs mouth for tv coverage going forward.

GizzFan · 13 Dec 2011, 18:08 (Ref:2999278)

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Originally Posted by on_to_it

Seeing you've quoted me; what was the question, and who's slugging and stirring? You've lost me there promax.

i have a mate that has access to things so not going to drop him in the do do's, i also heard the word that Bargs got one lap in the 29's but not confirmed by the transponder that was on the Mitchell car. Maybe they took the transponder off and just went with the old nod nod wink wink, anyway I dont know why they would be all secret squirrel about the new taxi, if it was fast they would all be crowing by now, especially the self appointed boss of this thread.

Chappelli · 13 Dec 2011, 18:20 (Ref:2999282)

If outright pace was the major concern for spectators, then the Gt3's would be more popular than Supercars and TRS would be the conutries most popular form of motorsport.... and that's far from the case.

It is interesting that Bargs appears getting a lot of laps in the new car. I thought Edgell was going to be the 'offical' test driver?

on_to_it · 13 Dec 2011, 18:35 (Ref:2999287)

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Originally Posted by Chappelli

It is interesting that Bargs appears getting a lot of laps in the new car. I thought Edgell was going to be the 'offical' test driver?

Correct. Andrew Mackenzie, who owns the car, said Edgel was the man to do the testing but there has been very little said since then. I find that a bit odd.

promax · 13 Dec 2011, 19:20 (Ref:2999309)

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Originally Posted by GizzFan

i have a mate that has access to things so not going to drop him in the do do's, i also heard the word that Bargs got one lap in the 29's but not confirmed by the transponder that was on the Mitchell car. Maybe they took the transponder off and just went with the old nod nod wink wink, anyway I dont know why they would be all secret squirrel about the new taxi, if it was fast they would all be crowing by now, especially the self appointed boss of this thread.

is this the same mate that told you Inky was the owner of his own cars?

and why on earth would the transponder be removed? they were testing
(the new box etc) not trying to break lap records.

promax · 13 Dec 2011, 19:27 (Ref:2999315)

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Originally Posted by Chappelli

If outright pace was the major concern for spectators, then the Gt3's would be more popular than Supercars and TRS would be the conutries most popular form of motorsport.... and that's far from the case.

It is interesting that Bargs appears getting a lot of laps in the new car. I thought Edgell was going to be the 'offical' test driver?

Bargs was there and is an experienced driver.. so why not use him.

isoskim · 13 Dec 2011, 19:34 (Ref:2999319)

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Originally Posted by promax

Bargs was there and is an experienced driver.. so why not use him.

I don't think that was the point he was trying to make. Edgell was announced as the official test driver and we've had no reported tests by him as of yet? Definitely agree that its an advantage to let Bargs have a run in the car to see where its at.

promax · 13 Dec 2011, 19:48 (Ref:2999327)

maybe Edgell had work commitments that day? who knows? who's to say he won't do the bulk of the testing. it's not like he was ever going to be the only driver to test the new car.

Mr Revhead · 13 Dec 2011, 19:54 (Ref:2999330)

Or maybe they trying to sell Bargs a car.

How many laps has the car done? is it at the point where they would be chasing lap times? Or is it still in the "wtf spring do we use" stage?

Icarus_nz · 13 Dec 2011, 20:18 (Ref:2999346)

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Originally Posted by Mr Revhead

Or maybe they trying to sell Bargs a car.

How many laps has the car done? is it at the point where they would be chasing lap times? Or is it still in the "wtf spring do we use" stage?

If it is yet another Mitchell licorice strap chassis they'll be asking that question for many a day yet

promax · 13 Dec 2011, 20:23 (Ref:2999347)

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Originally Posted by Mr Revhead

Or maybe they trying to sell Bargs a car.

should get him to buy 2 then

Mr Revhead · 13 Dec 2011, 20:31 (Ref:2999351)

In a spec class what does it matter?

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