NZV8's 2011/12

[Jerico]

Who did all the work in the first place NZV8-ST... When you take YOUR bat and ball nextdoor to play and you don't like the rules do you go home empty handed? No you take the bat and ball with you' if you have any balls.

[Blackpearl]

Originally Posted by promax

sept 2010 we first saw pics of the V8SC Cotf chassis

feb 2011 the st made an appearance

jan 2011 the st was a NZV8


who ripped who off again

Simple, v8st have the first concept of the cotf. Has the same pick up points on the cotf jig. Super ads went a different way. Mrx is building space frame.

[promax]

Originally Posted by Jerico

Who did all the work in the first place NZV8-ST... When you take YOUR bat and ball nextdoor to play and you don't like the rules do you go home empty handed? No you take the bat and ball with you' if you have any balls.

but no one took their bat and ball nextdoor.

[Jerico]

Originally Posted by promax

but no one took their bat and ball nextdoor.

Who's ideas and contacts were being used in the first place? and were they being payed for them? I don't think so. But we can wait for the court findings.

[FAS33]

NZ V8's should merge with the SuperTourers and call themselves the V8 Supercar rip offs.

[Icarus_nz]

I spoke to my friend Gallileo who is a chap who knows about what revolves around what.
I was shocked when he told me that V8SC is not the center of the universe!
He said that if you spend too much time peering up your own bottom you might come to that conclusion but no! Also, the earth is not flat.

All around the world cost containment has been a hot potato for the last few years.
A certain mildly sucessful american format have embraced a standardised approach but I suppose being a domestically based series that only occasionally ventures offshore you can be excused for missing that

Prior to that a silly little british series tampered with their rules to try to bring costs in line

Sorry to offend the flat earthers and creationists here in the interwebby but its called evolution.

The commonality between SC and ST is Pace. If you take the time to review the last year and a half of ravings you'll see that it was no secret that the SC and ST were always going to be very similar. ST made a few decisions in line with what they thought was best here in NZ - particularly around achieving an excellent car speed/cost ratio and particularly in reducing the need carry a lot of staff

In the meantime SC have decided that they need a heavily complex technical car. From the little snippets you hear that looks to be rocky going at the moment. Will the technology make the racing better?

NZV8 is pretty much the great unknown.
It has the advantage of following along behind and being able to see what works and doesn't work.

Reading between the lines of what Maxi is inferring (difficult cause he only ever writes one) the car in the picture is not the mule but a 'production' version.

One presumes some testing will follow

An external photo of body panels doesn't shed any light on the spec of the car Chappelli - which is the 64 million dollar question

Also, as a 'production' version I assume that a better appreiciation of the cost of the vehicle is now known. In may experience, inevitably costs spiral up.

Still there are 4 months to the first meeting where all will be revealed and the great New Zealand public will vote with their dicressionary spending - particulary when they have a choice between two formats within a couple of weeks of each other

[nistfan]

Originally Posted by Icarus_nz

I spoke to my friend Gallileo who is a chap who knows about what revolves around what.
I was shocked when he told me that V8SC is not the center of the universe!
He said that if you spend too much time peering up your own bottom you might come to that conclusion but no! Also, the earth is not flat.

All around the world cost containment has been a hot potato for the last few years.
A certain mildly sucessful american format have embraced a standardised approach but I suppose being a domestically based series that only occasionally ventures offshore you can be excused for missing that

Prior to that a silly little british series tampered with their rules to try to bring costs in line

Sorry to offend the flat earthers and creationists here in the interwebby but its called evolution.

The commonality between SC and ST is Pace. If you take the time to review the last year and a half of ravings you'll see that it was no secret that the SC and ST were always going to be very similar. ST made a few decisions in line with what they thought was best here in NZ - particularly around achieving an excellent car speed/cost ratio and particularly in reducing the need carry a lot of staff

In the meantime SC have decided that they need a heavily complex technical car. From the little snippets you hear that looks to be rocky going at the moment. Will the technology make the racing better?

NZV8 is pretty much the great unknown.
It has the advantage of following along behind and being able to see what works and doesn't work.

Reading between the lines of what Maxi is inferring (difficult cause he only ever writes one) the car in the picture is not the mule but a 'production' version.

One presumes some testing will follow

An external photo of body panels doesn't shed any light on the spec of the car Chappelli - which is the 64 million dollar question

Also, as a 'production' version I assume that a better appreiciation of the cost of the vehicle is now known. In may experience, inevitably costs spiral up.

Still there are 4 months to the first meeting where all will be revealed and the great New Zealand public will vote with their dicressionary spending - particulary when they have a choice between two formats within a couple of weeks of each other

4 Months is a very short time in Motor Racing, so many un-answered questions with NZV8 Series to date, from last years speed show they seem to have produced only one complete car that by all accounts hasnt even been tested as yet, if so they arnt saying how bad or slow it is, or its still lacking in finish. No sign of a Toyota Camy, just a Engine which they had to purchase anyway.

In the mean time Super Tourers produced and sold 20 cars, created a series from nothing, had 3 great race meetings, getting plenty of interest from Public and Media and what every else is around the corner. And the no show of 2 V8SC drivers (Hardly going to stop the world spinning in any case) for the first enduro will only work in V8ST favour in the long run

[promax]

Originally Posted by FAS33

NZ V8's should merge with the SuperTourers and call themselves the V8 Supercar rip offs.

that name isn't very catchy though

[smokin'joe]

Originally Posted by promax

that name isn't very catchy though

V8Super Clones ???

[promax]

Originally Posted by Icarus_nz

Still there are 4 months to the first meeting where all will be revealed and the great New Zealand public will vote with their dicressionary spending - particulary when they have a choice between two formats within a couple of weeks of each other

and people have to chose one over the other? beleive it or not.. there are people out there that like both.. there are also people out there prefer non V8 cars.. some are fans of other forms of motorsport.. some don't like motorsport at all.

there are people out there that still want to race a NZV8.. and there are people out there that still want to watch NZV8 races. i'm one of them my issue is with the st fan base thinking everything should revolve around their series. that NZV8 should end.. just cause there are more st. that all classes should run as supports for st. if st want to do their own thing.. well that's their deal. i don't usually watch their races.. i don't buy tickets to their meetings.. the class doesn't really interest me. a pic is posted of a new NZV8.. a couple of post later.. this thread turns into a st wankfest again. hmmm boring

[promax]

Originally Posted by smokin'joe

V8Super Clones ???

what about NZV8Super Clones?

or NZV8SC for short

[Southern Man]

Originally Posted by FAS33

NZ V8's should merge with the SuperTourers and call themselves the V8 Supercar rip offs.

Go back to the future and call them NZ Allcomers Saloons

[promax]

we might be heading that way lol

[BlueBlood]

Originally Posted by promax

and people have to chose one over the other? beleive it or not.. there are people out there that like both.. there are also people out there prefer non V8 cars.. some are fans of other forms of motorsport.. some don't like motorsport at all.

there are people out there that still want to race a NZV8.. and there are people out there that still want to watch NZV8 races. i'm one of them my issue is with the st fan base thinking everything should revolve around their series. that NZV8 should end.. just cause there are more st. that all classes should run as supports for st. if st want to do their own thing.. well that's their deal. i don't usually watch their races.. i don't buy tickets to their meetings.. the class doesn't really interest me. a pic is posted of a new NZV8.. a couple of post later.. this thread turns into a st wankfest again. hmmm boring

Sums up my position perfectly PM.

If NZV8 get some form of parity between the 3 engines and some cars on the grid, they will have my interest over the st's hands down.

[smokin'joe]

Originally Posted by Southern Man

Go back to the future and call them NZ Allcomers Saloons

OSCA, anyone??

[nistfan]

Originally Posted by BlueBlood

Sums up my position perfectly PM.

If NZV8 get some form of parity between the 3 engines and some cars on the grid, they will have my interest over the st's hands down.

Parity between Four Cars, sounds like a great series

[promax]

Originally Posted by BlueBlood

Sums up my position perfectly PM.

If NZV8 get some form of parity between the 3 engines and some cars on the grid, they will have my interest over the st's hands down.

i'll be happy with 3 different models that look and sound different.

[Chappelli]

At this point in time, I think there'd be a few people who'd be happy to see 3 cars period.

I had a second hand report from the Speedshow suggest the presentation gap is widening. Surely, if ever there was a time when NZV8's should be putting their best foot forward....

[promax]

obviously Ross and Richards didn't target the speedshow to unveil their new rides. although it would've been good to see the VE, the FG and Camry side by side.. it's hardly the end of the world.

[Jerico]

Originally Posted by BlueBlood

Sums up my position perfectly PM.

If NZV8 get some form of parity between the 3 engines and some cars on the grid, they will have my interest over the st's hands down.

And boy there are a lot of if's and buts there. NZV8 couldn't get it right after how many years? and now three engines. They have always been slow to move on anything, history shows that. You only have to look at how far they have come in the last twelve months.

[Icarus_nz]

Originally Posted by promax

and people have to chose one over the other? beleive it or not.. there are people out there that like both.. there are also people out there prefer non V8 cars.. some are fans of other forms of motorsport.. some don't like motorsport at all.

there are people out there that still want to race a NZV8.. and there are people out there that still want to watch NZV8 races. i'm one of them my issue is with the st fan base thinking everything should revolve around their series. that NZV8 should end.. just cause there are more st. that all classes should run as supports for st. if st want to do their own thing.. well that's their deal. i don't usually watch their races.. i don't buy tickets to their meetings.. the class doesn't really interest me. a pic is posted of a new NZV8.. a couple of post later.. this thread turns into a st wankfest again. hmmm boring

Wow. You must be breathless after all that writing in one go.

You're quite right. People/Fans don't HAVE to choose. What I was alluding to is that for many people, money to attend an event (whether it be a concert, a fugby game or some motorsport) is tight. The reality is that people will choose the one they feel offers better value simply becasue they can't afford to go to both.

You are also right in saying that there are people out there that currently don't watch motorsport.

That is the challenge of the promotions and marketting people - to create a buzz and pique peoples interest enough so as to show them why we love our sport.

I'm sure NZV8 must be delighted to know that you are utterly loyal to their brand. They just need more than 1999 other like minded souls per meeting to make it fly.

Its not simply about the number of cars on the grid. Hordes of Suzukis for instance make genarally lousey racing because there is a lack of racecraft.
Even a few years ago with massive NZV8 grids the racing was clumsy back in the feild. The usual suspects could be relied on to create mayhem.

Doesn't matter anyway. Time will tell.

[promax]

so what would bring the crowds back?

30 minute pit walks (30 minutes of back patting while the crowd gets bored) everytime the cars come out? honda cup cars? 1/2 a dozen NZV8s wearing different tryes?

[Icarus_nz]

Originally Posted by promax

so what would bring the crowds back?

30 minute pit walks (30 minutes of back patting while the crowd gets bored) everytime the cars come out? honda cup cars? 1/2 a dozen NZV8s wearing different tryes?

Shhhhhhh. Don't tell everyone the secret.

Back to you. What ideas have you got to revitilise your preferred brand?

Lets put 'essential DNA' to one side for a minute and tell me what you think would grab peoples interest?

[rich07]

Originally Posted by promax

that name isn't very catchy though

How about 'I cant believe its not a V8 Supercar'

[promax]

simple.. people want value for money, they want to be entertained, they go to motorsport events to see cars race.. so give them what they want. obviously there's not going to be 20 new gen cars racing this year... but if the field is decent.. with good mix of new and old and non ford or holdens.. it shouldn't be a big issue. personally i think the supports are the key for mnz.. if people are entertained throughout the whole meeting.. they'll leave happy and will want to comeback.