V8 SuperTourers in NZ - 'Car Of Tomorrow' - Page 39

GizzFan · 22 Dec 2011, 23:21 (Ref:3003395)

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I am not sure where you come from sometimes Gizzfan, a lot of your posts don't make much sense. Where have I implied any of the above?

sorry mate should have said "sand kicker" my apologies.

Mr Revhead · 22 Dec 2011, 23:30 (Ref:3003399)

Who is this clown?

smokin'joe · 22 Dec 2011, 23:33 (Ref:3003401)

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Who is this clown?

school holidays have this effect on forum content

Mr Revhead · 22 Dec 2011, 23:35 (Ref:3003402)

I keep forgetting that

GizzFan · 23 Dec 2011, 18:42 (Ref:3003645)

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I keep forgetting that

Most of us on this forum, are colloquially speaking, either 'tyre kicker's' never going to buy what we criticise, or 'sand kickers' as in "kicking sand in ones face" that we disagree with.

Having "sand kicked in your face" means to be insulted by someone you are powerless to fight back against, as in the famous Charles Atlas advertisements.

Ones anonymity on this forum is the perfect opportunity for one to vent their spleen, or express their opinion with out fear of retaliation

Have a very merry christmas.

Icarus_nz · 23 Dec 2011, 19:06 (Ref:3003653)

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The issue I had been told about was anyone wanting to enter a new body had to pay for all the development costs, and then had to turn the moulds over to V8ST for them to sell to other teams.

Mark Petch PM'd me (not sure why he didn't just post it here) and informed me that is only partially correct.

The people who develop the moulds will get a royalty from the sale of the different parts which must be purchased through V8ST

That sounds fair. A partnership approach in essense.

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Personally I think Toyota will be put off by the control engine.
Unfortunately Toyotas support of racing has been a little misguided and inconsistent in the past decade. However with the death of the 2ltr class there wasn't a lot left for them to support.
My suggestion to them to focus on supporting club and regional series was ignored. Instead they decided to throw all their eggs into TRS and the 4 and rotors show scene.

Possibly Corporate Toyota wouldn't be so keen. The dealers however would love to be promoting the brand through a flagship class. Many of the dealers are passionate motorsport fans/competitors in their own right.

The 4's and Rotors scene makes sense in the long game. Creating strong brand identity will pay out when (if) they grow up and need to haul babies and gardening tools around

Mr Revhead · 23 Dec 2011, 20:30 (Ref:3003694)

Yes some dealers are. Not hard to tell which ones!

Unfortunately the products they had to do it with were not suitable

GizzFan · 23 Dec 2011, 21:08 (Ref:3003703)

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Yes some dealers are. Not hard to tell which ones!

Unfortunately the products they had to do it with were not suitable

What about a Toyota Lexcen?

Icarus_nz · 24 Dec 2011, 01:05 (Ref:3003763)

Interestingly 5 or 6 years ago Toyota Aus built a 'V8 Supercar' as a fesibility study based around a Lexus.
Unfortunatly Aussies can't deal with more than two choices so it was never going to happen.

A control Formula such as ST in never going to be a place to showcase developmental technologies but then the country can't afford that sort of thing.

If the promotional benefits are great enough, no one cares who's rubber bd is fitted. The class itself will not be trumpetting that it is an 'ABC' engine and neither should they. The important thing is that everybody has the same apple and it is affordable.

Ford and Holden can see this and that establishes a precident.

The body shapes will be more recognisable than NASCAR...

Mr Revhead · 24 Dec 2011, 01:57 (Ref:3003770)

Where did you hear about Toyota building a V8?

That's not how Toyota thinks.

Icarus_nz · 24 Dec 2011, 08:38 (Ref:3003830)

From a couple of Toyota Big Dogs about four years ago.
They had no reason to be telling porkies

GizzFan · 27 Dec 2011, 07:34 (Ref:3004441)

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Originally Posted by Icarus_nz

From a couple of Toyota Big Dogs about four years ago.
They had no reason to be telling porkies

I dont think we are ever going to Toyota or their Lexus brand in Australian Supercars, much less SuperTourers. I a third manufacture get involved across the ditch i would say it would also happen here in ST very quickly.

The whole engine thing has me beat, Toyota have never had a pushrod V8 engine ever in anything they make, yet its OK to claim that Toyota has pushrod V8 DNA, so that legitimise there Nascar entry, what a load of old bullocks. Toyota dont have one single component that they make in their Nascar entries, even the grill, the badge and the headlights are all stick on decals!!

Same deal with the "Holden Motorsport engine" since when did Chevy have an 8.2" deck height? Nope it's a custom made version of a Ford engine, manufactured by Caterpillar for Holden Motorsport , according to Allan Draper, who built some of the first of those engine/s when he was with Team Dynamic.

smokin'joe · 27 Dec 2011, 10:17 (Ref:3004464)

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Toyota have never had a pushrod V8 engine ever in anything they make, yet its OK to claim that Toyota has pushrod V8 DNA,

you sure?

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Toyota dont have one single component that they make in their Nascar entries, even the grill, the badge and the headlights are all stick on decals!!

but from what i was advised, they do have a few components in the V8SC and NZV8's

Fairlane GTA · 27 Dec 2011, 11:50 (Ref:3004478)

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Toyota have never had a pushrod V8 engine ever in anything they make, yet its OK to claim that Toyota has pushrod V8 DNA

Toyota V series, is pushrod v8 is it not?

DX20VT · 27 Dec 2011, 12:09 (Ref:3004484)

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Toyota V series, is pushrod v8 is it not?

5V-EU etc, yes I think they were.

GizzFan · 27 Dec 2011, 18:26 (Ref:3004576)

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Toyota V series, is pushrod v8 is it not?

well burger me, and a according to Wikipedia, a straight rip off, of the Dodge Red Ram Hemi engine from the 1950's so yep that gives them every right to go an build a copy of a Ford Nascar engine I guess

GizzFan · 27 Dec 2011, 18:29 (Ref:3004577)

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Originally Posted by smokin'joe

you sure?

but from what i was advised, they do have a few components in the V8SC and NZV8's

what ya smoking Joe, Toyota components in a V8SC and NZV8's?

Mr Revhead · 27 Dec 2011, 18:58 (Ref:3004588)

Gizz, you have to stop believing things you hear.

Toyotas NASCARs share as many parts with their road cars as the other makes do in that series.

smokin'joe · 27 Dec 2011, 19:08 (Ref:3004591)

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Originally Posted by GizzFan

what ya smoking Joe, Toyota components in a V8SC and NZV8's?

whilst he never elaborated on the exact component, a Toyota parts supplier assured me there is., but don't believe everything you hear.
besides, the old dinosaurs need to get reliability from somewhere

GizzFan · 27 Dec 2011, 19:11 (Ref:3004594)

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Originally Posted by Mr Revhead

Gizz, you have to stop believing things you hear.

Toyotas NASCARs share as many parts with their road cars as the other makes do in that series.

Gee thanks teach, were would this thread be without your experience and wisdom.

I can tell you one critical Ford component that all the manufacturers have to use in their Nascar entries, including Toyota, and that is the Ford 9" diff. do I get any stamps for learning that teach?

smokin'joe · 27 Dec 2011, 19:15 (Ref:3004595)

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do I get any stamps for learning that teach?

yes, but they won't make up for the ones you lost due to arguing. now bugger off to the back of the classroom , keep quiet, pay attention.

GizzFan · 27 Dec 2011, 19:30 (Ref:3004600)

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Originally Posted by smokin'joe

yes, but they won't make up for the ones you lost due to arguing. now bugger off to the back of the classroom , keep quiet, pay attention.

Before i do as you suggested, can you tell me which Toyota components that V8SC and NZV8's have in them, or was that one drag to many?

smokin'joe · 27 Dec 2011, 19:40 (Ref:3004603)

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Originally Posted by GizzFan

Before i do as you suggested, can you tell me which Toyota components that V8SC and NZV8's have in them, or was that one drag to many?

if you paid attention to my post, you would have read that i wasn't told which part it is. i believe it was was in the head/ valvetrain

Mr Revhead · 27 Dec 2011, 19:42 (Ref:3004605)

Denso spark plugs

Icarus_nz · 27 Dec 2011, 20:58 (Ref:3004629)

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Originally Posted by GizzFan

I dont think we are ever going to Toyota or their Lexus brand in Australian Supercars, much less SuperTourers. I a third manufacture get involved across the ditch i would say it would also happen here in ST very quickly.

I agree that the Aussie playground is pretty locked down. ST isn't the little brother of the Aussie deal, it is its own aimal in response to local desires and conditions.

The interest for manufactures is pure marketting. Hard core motorsport fans are not their target because a. They've already got their mind made up and b. There isn't enough of them.

Now for average-joes the percieved high performance, racing improves the breed, blah blah sizzle is more critical in their decision making than the actual steak

From time to time I still see old Honda Accords driving around with WIlliams Honda F1 stickers in the rear window - OEM

Also remember that Manchester United has a gerzillion fans but FA british players...

The brand is bigger than reality.

Anyway the focus on Toyota is a bit of a distraction. Given their racing heritage here in NZ, BMW would have to be looking at things. Especially as they have an interest in the big car market.

On a different subject - I presume all the ST fuel system components are biofuel tolerant?

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