USCC (leave your axe outside) - Page 101

Beetle · 31 Jul 2013, 04:14 (Ref:3284048)

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Originally Posted by jasonjessica09

If Black Swan/Green Hornet can enter GTD at Daytona with the Mercedes SLS, then I think I will like their chances. I have four words that can back that up too: Dubai, Bathurst, Nurburgring, Spa

I think you are forgetting the main part of this: yes, Mercedes SLS AMG GT3s did win all of those rounds, but then again, it wasn't under the Black Swan/Green Hornet banner. If you are saying they have a good chance at winning the Daytona 24 or Sebring 12hr in class, you're crazy... unless they put in factory drivers like Wendlinger, Bleekemolen, Jans, Jager, Buhk, etc.

LeSaffre/Pappas/? doesn't sound too promising, even if the ? was one of who I mentioned above...

chernaudi · 31 Jul 2013, 04:18 (Ref:3284050)

But you have to remember that GTD is supposed to be a pro-am class, where there has to be at least one pro-am/gentleman driver per car. The all pro line ups that the Merc had in the endurance races it won will most likely be illegal unless one of the drivers mentioned is old enough to be demoted a level on the ranking system.

Canada ALMS fan · 31 Jul 2013, 05:29 (Ref:3284063)

Green Hornet has sold their SLS...

Lagunaseca_4life · 31 Jul 2013, 05:48 (Ref:3284069)

It's also basically already a different car they run in pwc from the fia gt3 spec, with what's been said already a gtd spec gt3 is going to get a spec wing,that alone is going to need the entire aero redone and may even cause the car to be unbalanced or uncompetitive and be reengineered.it may as well be a whole different car than what's racing in Europe. Plus bleekmolem has raced with papas before in gtc and they got it done wining the championship a few times, if an amg is going to take it I'd put them at the top of the list.

tlongman · 31 Jul 2013, 06:02 (Ref:3284071)

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Originally Posted by Canada ALMS fan

Green Hornet has sold their SLS...

They did? I just saw it a few weeks ago racing at Lime Rock.

Victor_RO · 31 Jul 2013, 06:04 (Ref:3284072)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

Remember when I asked that horrible question about headlights?

Elkins was answering questions on Twitter so I asked and his reply was pretty much that yes, all cars would have their headlights on 100% of the time.

Same rule at Le Mans... you get black-flagged and called into the pits for repairs if your headlights are broken.

Speed-King · 31 Jul 2013, 06:35 (Ref:3284080)

RE DP-engines in P2:

The ACO's cost cap for LMP2 is rather restrictive, as far as I now, DP-engine budgets are way (way, way) higher than that.

chernaudi · 31 Jul 2013, 10:31 (Ref:3284150)

Yet, a DP engine is much more of a literal "stock block" deal than the Nissan VK45 is. Aside from different cylinder liners, the 5.0 Cammer is little different from the old 4.6 Ford V8, or the current 5.0 Coyote V8 from the Mustang.

The VK45 is considerably modified from the production engine, namely the use of the flatplane crank (the stock engine uses a crossplane crank) and various other modifications to suit it's use in Super GT. Only difference is that the engine was de-tuned to suit the LMP2 power regs, where it makes about 100 less BHP than it did in GT500.

Lizardfolk · 31 Jul 2013, 10:37 (Ref:3284152)

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Originally Posted by Ephaeton

GA doesn't satisfy a technophile like me. Calling these near GT-bodied tube trucks they're racing "Prototypes" is an insult to me. And just because you race DPs and GAGTs on the same track as real cars, doesn't make it better. In fact BOPing these abominations close to real cars is yet another insult, just as this Camaro joke that obviously is allowed (and lobbied for) to win races. Best two things that USCR have going for them is the fraction of their entrants that formerly will have been known as ALMS, and access to classic north american tracks (although they seem to be able to even fck that resource up. Going to rovals? Lime Rock in doubt? Please).

So... I'm guessing you we're never a Trans-Am fan? Funny... I remember Trans-Am being awesome in the 80s and 90s... Guess what constitutes as awesome these days are mild Euro rulesets

Maelochs · 31 Jul 2013, 11:11 (Ref:3284169)

Please see a related post in the grand Am thread. http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...135535&page=57

While Trans Am (or what you are apparently too young to remember, Camel GT) were indeed tube-framed, and tremendously exciting, they were not all that technically advanced. Live rear axles, big V8s, wide tires, huge fender flares and big wings, hurrah! But not in any way high-tech refined sports-racing prototypes.

Sorry for you, but some folks like high-tech cars. Doesn't mean they don't like sprint cars or NASCAR or didn't like trans-am--they just prefer to watch the latest, most advanced racing vehicles on the planet. Seems F1 gets a few fans that way, eh?

The idea that because Trans Am was a great series, therefore Rolex must be a great series, is based on no fact or logic. Both had some tube frames; both also were exclusively four-wheeled vehicles. Does that mean any racing series using four-wheeled vehicles is automatically great?

Different strokes. Some people like IndyCar, some like F1, some like up-to-date sports prototypes which use the best available technology. Some people don't care about technology.

But try to realize, please---"Tube Frames" is not the issue here.

canamman · 31 Jul 2013, 11:22 (Ref:3284173)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

Is that really more outlandish than a BMW Z4 doing the same thing? At least the Camaro is available with an engine remotely in the same performance region.

And the Mazda. Its more of a cultural thing than a spec thing.
The Camaro has had a different US race heritage than say in Europe.

Fogelhund · 31 Jul 2013, 11:39 (Ref:3284177)

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Originally Posted by Lizardfolk

So... I'm guessing you we're never a Trans-Am fan? Funny... I remember Trans-Am being awesome in the 80s and 90s... Guess what constitutes as awesome these days are mild Euro rulesets

Trans Am was at it's greatest in the late 60's and early 70's, when it used stock unibody chassis (obviously modified). It did have a renaissance in the 80's and early 90's as a tube frame series, but then the manufacturers dropped the concept, and wanted to race unibody chassis. Time marches on, and much like there is no reason to run drum brakes anymore, there isn't a need to use other old technologies such as tube frames. 96' was really the last big year for the concept, and then Chevrolet changed focus to the Unibody Corvette for LM rules.

Unibody isn't a Euro ruleset at all, ridiculous notion.

FordCosworthPanoz · 31 Jul 2013, 11:59 (Ref:3284192)

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Originally Posted by Lizardfolk

So... I'm guessing you we're never a Trans-Am fan? Funny... I remember Trans-Am being awesome in the 80s and 90s... Guess what constitutes as awesome these days are mild Euro rulesets

1990s Trans Am: Tommy Kendall's Sunday drive.

BullMan · 31 Jul 2013, 15:13 (Ref:3284264)

Continental rocks to be sole tire for all USCR classes but GTE:

http://www.alms.com/articles/imsa-ti...ed-2014-season

Lame, but not surprising.

Fogelhund · 31 Jul 2013, 15:17 (Ref:3284267)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

Continental rocks to be sole tire for all USCR classes but GTE:

http://www.alms.com/articles/imsa-ti...ed-2014-season

Lame, but not surprising.

Truthfully I don't see it as a big issue really at this point. It is a positive for the Pro-AM categories, less so for the "top" P category.

I do hope they open it up for the top class, if they truly pursue having a top tier Prototype category in the future, but with the provision that any tire manufacturer providing tires to any entrant, must be willing and able to sell the same spec tires to any and all other entrants.

BullMan · 31 Jul 2013, 15:22 (Ref:3284271)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

Truthfully I don't see it as a big issue really at this point. It is a positive for the Pro-AM categories, less so for the "top" P category.

I do hope they open it up for the top class, if they truly pursue having a top tier Prototype category in the future, but with the provision that any tire manufacturer providing tires to any entrant, must be willing and able to sell the same spec tires to any and all other entrants.

I just hope this doesn't deter European teams from coming over and racing.

Breitling24 · 31 Jul 2013, 15:24 (Ref:3284272)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

I just hope this doesn't deter European teams from coming over and racing.

I think the "merger" did that, unfortunately.

BullMan · 31 Jul 2013, 15:33 (Ref:3284274)

And of course, this is going to screw any P2 team that wants to race Le Mans.

TheMightyM · 31 Jul 2013, 15:37 (Ref:3284276)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

I just hope this doesn't deter European teams from coming over and racing.

While it’s certainly a complication that may reduce participation at the margin, the bigger problem is simply money. Or rather, lack of it. While many P2 teams may want to run Daytona and Sebring, whether they have the financial resources to come over and do so remains to be seen. Case in point: Exactly one European P2 car was at Sebring this year (Greaves), and they came essentially as a ride-seller.

HORNDAWG · 31 Jul 2013, 15:41 (Ref:3284277)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

Truthfully I don't see it as a big issue really at this point. It is a positive for the Pro-AM categories, less so for the "top" P category.

I do hope they open it up for the top class, if they truly pursue having a top tier Prototype category in the future, but with the provision that any tire manufacturer providing tires to any entrant, must be willing and able to sell the same spec tires to any and all other entrants.

I agree.

L.P.

jeast · 31 Jul 2013, 15:44 (Ref:3284279)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

Truthfully I don't see it as a big issue really at this point. It is a positive for the Pro-AM categories, less so for the "top" P category.

I do hope they open it up for the top class, if they truly pursue having a top tier Prototype category in the future, but with the provision that any tire manufacturer providing tires to any entrant, must be willing and able to sell the same spec tires to any and all other entrants.

I don't think they have a top p category.

Fogelhund · 31 Jul 2013, 15:52 (Ref:3284283)

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Originally Posted by jeast

I don't think they have a top p category.

Well they don't for now, just saying if they pursue one in the future....

BullMan · 31 Jul 2013, 15:54 (Ref:3284286)

Now Hindy is saying USCR plans to "adjust" ALL classes, even GTE, which will obviously take it away from ACO compliance. Doesn't make any sense. I hope he's wrong here. They change GTE and kill any ACO ties then the series doesn't matter and is as insular as Grand-Am. That's a recipe for failure.

Fogelhund · 31 Jul 2013, 15:57 (Ref:3284287)

Adjust GTE? Why?

Someone please just turn out the lights.

jeast · 31 Jul 2013, 15:57 (Ref:3284288)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

Now Hindy is saying USCR plans to "adjust" ALL classes, even GTE, which will obviously take it away from ACO compliance. Doesn't make any sense. I hope he's wrong here. They change GTE and kill any ACO ties then the series doesn't matter and is as insular as Grand-Am. That's a recipe for failure.

I hope not. If that happens I just hope nascar doesn't prop it up for too long after it fails so american sports car racing can start over.

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