Formula E - Page 2

Bodysnatcher · 2 Jul 2014, 11:22 (Ref:3429444)

once the genii's out the bottle (or is that off)

The Fat Clerk · 2 Jul 2014, 11:41 (Ref:3429450)

Off it in our firm

**Woolley** · 2 Jul 2014, 12:22 (Ref:3429466)

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Originally Posted by Bodysnatcher

as katrina so succinctly put it electrical geniuses)

Correct, plural of genius is geniuses

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Originally Posted by EvilPumpkin

electrical genii

Genii is plural of Genie. But then electricity is a form of magic, so you're probably also correct!

Do I presume, then, that the reason for the fast response is in order to have an electrician on the team? Lets hope there aren't multiple incidents. This also makes me think I'm not sure I want to drive something that may have another attempt to kill me if the original incident was unsuccessful...

TrueBlueFlyer · 2 Jul 2014, 12:36 (Ref:3429467)

l o l

Bodysnatcher · 2 Jul 2014, 12:38 (Ref:3429468)

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Originally Posted by Woolley

Do I presume, then, that the reason for the fast response is in order to have an electrician on the team? ...

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Originally Posted by Bodysnatcher

Observers/flags/lights and a response team or 3 trained specifically to deal with electrical issues.
This of course is all supposition

but it ain't half got us going again

**Woolley** · 2 Jul 2014, 12:43 (Ref:3429472)

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Originally Posted by Bodysnatcher

but it ain't half got us going again

Not quite, I'm more interested in how it would be expected to work in this particular series. Having done Champ Car on a couple of occasions where the incident marshals are forbidden from going trackside, it's just a different way of doing things. In some cases it's better, in others worse. In the situation where dodgy - sorry, 'high-voltage' - electrics are involved I can see the case for it.

Anyway, the circuit. Is this going to be an American style street circuit? Concrete barriers and catch fencing? That's a lot of money to set up for what is an unproven series. Sort of appropriate that it's in the old power station though. Maybe the cars will run with cables to the mains!

Bodysnatcher · 2 Jul 2014, 12:51 (Ref:3429475)

Agree that it's a whole new ball game and there is much to discuss seriously - but probably better when we KNOW who the organisers are and what THEIR plan is.

s'not the old power station though, it's the park across the road.

http://binged.it/1kdF0xo

No act of parliament to close roads, Boris just changes the local byelaws for the day - or something like that.

numbersix · 2 Jul 2014, 13:18 (Ref:3429488)

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Originally Posted by Woolley

...That's a lot of money to set up for what is an unproven series...

True, seeing as Canary Wharf is within seeing distance of Brands Hatch. (Have to stop spectators joining in, through -

)

wolfhound · 2 Jul 2014, 13:34 (Ref:3429498)

I have seen electric power line crews working on live 20KVA lines with special equipment, maybe that is the way to deal with electric cars?

The Fat Clerk · 2 Jul 2014, 13:45 (Ref:3429502)

You should come and join us @ Silverstone next week for Formula Student, they've had electric cars for years, nothing to be afraid of, just be sensible.

Greem · 2 Jul 2014, 15:22 (Ref:3429523)

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Originally Posted by The Fat Clerk

just be sensible.

Ah, yes. That. That's hard.

JimW · 2 Jul 2014, 17:24 (Ref:3429553)

The electrical safety systems in Formula E have been designed to make dealing with incidents subject to much less uncertainty (about possible electrical risks) than existing hybrid cars. This will reduce the need for rubber wear to an absolute minimum number of occasions and people.

The systems and their monitoring are designed to provide an indication either of clear safety or clearly unusual and potentially dangerous conditions. Only in the latter case will insulation and testing be called for.

(Or so we are told!)

There is also a pair of lights designed to show that the car is in a condition to move if the throttle pedal is pressed. Similar to knowing that a car's engine is running and hence could move without notice.

Regards

Jim

numbersix · 2 Jul 2014, 17:44 (Ref:3429556)

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Originally Posted by JimW

... This will reduce the need for rubber wear to an absolute minimum...

Damn!

katrina.kershaw.7 · 2 Jul 2014, 19:54 (Ref:3429598)

It's an interesting one, just sitting watching indycar street circuit with incident marshals sorting taku out hmm not 3 genii in a uut hehehe ;-D

Bodysnatcher · 2 Jul 2014, 20:09 (Ref:3429608)

Katrina - if it's the 2014 Houston crash with the Aleshin - Taku actually crashes in front of the response team. At 40 seconds in this clip they get out the pickup. The other giveaway that they are not "marshals" is the Holmatro overalls as opposed to the white gear of the guys that jump back as he hits the wall.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eELY3oMnYMQ

In professional US races there is no such thing as a trackside incident marshal.

katrina.kershaw.7 · 2 Jul 2014, 20:21 (Ref:3429616)

Smiley should've been a clue, as normally it's trackside...

Guinness2702 · 2 Jul 2014, 23:49 (Ref:3429690)

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Originally Posted by The Fat Clerk

This old Observer is certainly keen to do the event

This attempting-to-upgrade-to-but-not-yet-qualified-as-observer is quite keen too

JimW · 3 Jul 2014, 08:29 (Ref:3429829)

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Originally Posted by Bodysnatcher

. . .
In professional US races there is no such thing as a trackside incident marshal.

All the more reason to preserve and support the breed in this country.

Jim

numbersix · 3 Jul 2014, 08:41 (Ref:3429834)

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Originally Posted by JimW

All the more reason to preserve and support the breed in this country.

Jim

Jim, how robust are these new batteries? In the event of a T-bone accident could they break up and spew noxious stuff everywhere? I assume they must be pretty tough.

JimW · 3 Jul 2014, 09:26 (Ref:3429851)

We are told that they have undergone crash testing to F1 standards and that the risk of any "feasible" accident is very small. They are "certified to UN Transportation Standards as a minimum requirement" not least because every race is a Fly-away except Battersea.

The battery box looks brick outhouse in construction but I guess that only time will tell.

See about 2/3 down this link: http://www.fiaformulae.com/en/news/2...s-battery.aspx

Jim

Bodysnatcher · 3 Jul 2014, 11:45 (Ref:3429890)

The battery construction sounds good Jim.
the indicator lights are pretty much the standard for other electric/hybrid vehicles. Fine until, like Duval's crash at Le mans, the lights get destroyed in the impact.

How's it going at Donington?- the live timing link for the first test seems broken...
no it's not .. just connection issues (lol) ABT on a 1.37 others on 1.38s
(F3 test earlier this year was about 1.30 so not too shabby)

BTW the American issue is forced by insurers (or so I'm told) - most of the young ones (ie sub 60) would do intervention if allowed.

Bodysnatcher · 3 Jul 2014, 11:54 (Ref:3429894)

18 cars running but some quite a lot slower. Kathy Legge, I'm looking at you here.

JimW · 3 Jul 2014, 11:59 (Ref:3429896)

Lap records:

F3 1m22.600s
Formula Ford 1m31.73s
ERA 1m32.148s

Fair way to go.

Jim

Bodysnatcher · 3 Jul 2014, 12:13 (Ref:3429899)

Hey Jim, it's only Day 1 of "real" electric racing cars - pretty historic actually.
Comparisons with a test day are kinder than outright lap records since this is also a test day.

JimW · 3 Jul 2014, 12:18 (Ref:3429901)

Of course but it's nice to know what they might be aiming at.

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