V8 SuperTourers in NZ - 'Car Of Tomorrow' - Page 19

Bevan-L · 11 Aug 2011, 04:25 (Ref:2938353)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

And the first Ford chassis arrives in NZ...

Question... are those patches behind the B Pillar on the roof, door sill etc where it looks like they've cut/shut the car to make it shorter or something????

MarioNZ · 11 Aug 2011, 04:51 (Ref:2938361)

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Originally Posted by Bevan-L

Question... are those patches behind the B Pillar on the roof, door sill etc where it looks like they've cut/shut the car to make it shorter or something????

Would say so, just like they do on a Supercar to make them all the same dimensions. I think the Holden gets a bigger haircut than the Ford?

EZY PEEL · 11 Aug 2011, 07:15 (Ref:2938378)

I can see why the top and bottom ones are required (to make the car shorter) . . . . but why the rear one by the wheel arch?

Bevan-L · 11 Aug 2011, 07:27 (Ref:2938380)

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Originally Posted by EZY PEEL

I can see why the top and bottom ones are required (to make the car shorter) . . . . but why the rear one by the wheel arch?

Because it wouldnt line up without cutting/fabricating that section.

MacrosNZ · 12 Aug 2011, 21:09 (Ref:2939067)

Pics and vids from yesterday's testing at Puke.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...33922249956636

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzsRtaXn4L8

https://www.facebook.com/video/video...51697&comments

FraserGT · 13 Aug 2011, 01:44 (Ref:2939113)

what's with lifting off the gas to change up gears?

I would have thought it would have flat shift.

scuderus · 13 Aug 2011, 05:08 (Ref:2939138)

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Originally Posted by FraserGT

what's with lifting off the gas to change up gears?

I would have thought it would have flat shift.

Doesn't look as though shift kill is operational (no strain gauge).....yet?????

MacrosNZ · 13 Aug 2011, 06:00 (Ref:2939144)

Not sure... The Link does have a flat shift function.

Goat Boy · 13 Aug 2011, 22:52 (Ref:2939369)

Their Facebook page says they are getting low 58's at Puke, with more still to come from flat shift and bigger Brembo brakes. So I guess that means it's not operational yet but will be soon.

promax · 14 Aug 2011, 00:01 (Ref:2939379)

hmm still a couple of seconds down on what the ST boys thought it would do.

harcey · 14 Aug 2011, 02:14 (Ref:2939397)

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Originally Posted by Goat Boy

Their Facebook page says they are getting low 58's at Puke, with more still to come from flat shift and bigger Brembo brakes. So I guess that means it's not operational yet but will be soon.

looked and sounded to me like they were having gearbox issues later in day

MacrosNZ · 14 Aug 2011, 02:53 (Ref:2939403)

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Originally Posted by promax

hmm still a couple of seconds down on what the ST boys thought it would do.

It was the first time baird, pederson, and corkery had driven the car.

FraserGT · 14 Aug 2011, 03:11 (Ref:2939405)

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Originally Posted by Goat Boy

Their Facebook page says they are getting low 58's at Puke, with more still to come from flat shift and bigger Brembo brakes. So I guess that means it's not operational yet but will be soon.

why would bigger Brembo brakes make it faster?

DX20VT · 14 Aug 2011, 03:14 (Ref:2939406)

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Originally Posted by FraserGT

why would bigger Brembo brakes make it faster?

Because if you can stop better, it means you keep keep on the power longer before you need to brake?

FraserGT · 14 Aug 2011, 03:15 (Ref:2939407)

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Originally Posted by harcey

looked and sounded to me like they were having gearbox issues later in day

not good when Mr Petch said the gearbox will not require any maintenance for a season.

hopefully they get on top of this.

FraserGT · 14 Aug 2011, 03:21 (Ref:2939408)

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Originally Posted by DX20VT

Because if you can stop better, it means you keep keep on the power longer before you need to brake?

For the amount of running they are doing at the moment with only short stints the brakes are not an issue - especially at a track like Pukekohe where you only use them properly twice in 58 seconds.

The statement about bigger brakes might be true around a track like Hampton or Manfeild where they get a good workout.

Goat Boy · 14 Aug 2011, 03:59 (Ref:2939412)

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Originally Posted by FraserGT

For the amount of running they are doing at the moment with only short stints the brakes are not an issue - especially at a track like Pukekohe where you only use them properly twice in 58 seconds.

The statement about bigger brakes might be true around a track like Hampton or Manfeild where they get a good workout.

Another physics lesson for you - bigger brakes are able to convert the kinetic energy into heat energy more quickly and efficiently, meaning the car will slow down more quickly (as well as the durability issue) - so definitely important for Pukekohe.

MarioNZ · 14 Aug 2011, 04:05 (Ref:2939413)

Just announced on Gillette Motorsport...Ford to officially support Supertourer series......Boom!!!

FraserGT · 14 Aug 2011, 04:29 (Ref:2939418)

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Originally Posted by Goat Boy

Another physics lesson for you - bigger brakes are able to convert the kinetic energy into heat energy more quickly and efficiently, meaning the car will slow down more quickly (as well as the durability issue) - so definitely important for Pukekohe.

sorry Goat Boy, what do you mean "another physics lesson"?

The car will only slow down as quickly as the level of longitudinal grip of the tyre allows.

Unless a brake package is either seriously under sized or poorly designed/implemented you are not going to see any improvement in lap time around a track like Pukekohe doing short stints in fresh air.

Don't forget that larger brakes add to the un-sprung weight of the car increase the rotating mass.

I agree about the durability of of larger brakes in a true race situation over many laps.

MarioNZ · 14 Aug 2011, 04:37 (Ref:2939422)

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Originally Posted by FraserGT

sorry Goat Boy, what do you mean "another physics lesson"?

The car will only slow down as quickly as the level of longitudinal grip of the tyre allows.

Unless a brake package is either seriously under sized or poorly designed/implemented you are not going to see any improvement in lap time around a track like Pukekohe doing short stints in fresh air.

Don't forget that larger brakes add to the un-sprung weight of the car increase the rotating mass.

I agree about the durability of of larger brakes in a true race situation over many laps.

Looks like we got ourselves a 'Geek Off' !!!!

promax · 14 Aug 2011, 05:21 (Ref:2939427)

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Originally Posted by MarioNZ

Just announced on Gillette Motorsport...Ford to officially support Supertourer series......Boom!!!

odd.. no press releases from Ford NZ confirming this big news? will Ford NZ throw the ST boys some $$$$'s or just allow them to buy badges and body panels from them?

MarioNZ · 14 Aug 2011, 05:31 (Ref:2939429)

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Originally Posted by promax

odd.. no press releases from Ford NZ confirming this big news? will Ford NZ throw the ST boys some $$$$'s or just allow them to buy badges and body panels from them?

Summerfield said this was actually being press released tomorrow but they were jumping the gun and announcing it today (by arrangement I'm sure). Something about Ford supplying all the factory parts for the cars (100 and something parts per car?), got the impression this was FoC. Will keep an eye out for the details tomorrow I guess but sounds like Ford are in which will answer a few doubters questions

promax · 14 Aug 2011, 05:48 (Ref:2939431)

i'm surprised there are so many road going car parts on the ST? could almost accuse it of being a taxi

Goat Boy · 14 Aug 2011, 20:10 (Ref:2939626)

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Originally Posted by FraserGT

sorry Goat Boy, what do you mean "another physics lesson"?

The car will only slow down as quickly as the level of longitudinal grip of the tyre allows.

Unless a brake package is either seriously under sized or poorly designed/implemented you are not going to see any improvement in lap time around a track like Pukekohe doing short stints in fresh air.

Don't forget that larger brakes add to the un-sprung weight of the car increase the rotating mass.

I agree about the durability of of larger brakes in a true race situation over many laps.

Depends on the nature of the brake rotors though, solid steel yes, vented and cross drilled less so WRT unsprung weight and rotating mass. Carbon ceramic, yeah! Doubt we will see that though.

At Pukekohe you would expect to see an improvement mainly at the hairpin as it's the only real hard-on-the-anchors corner. You should still be able to get on the brakes later though and that should give you a few tenths I would have thought.

But who knows what is currently fitted to the car? Maybe it is under-sized, otherwise why would they upgrade other than longevity through the enduro rounds?

MacrosNZ · 14 Aug 2011, 20:20 (Ref:2939629)

There it is.

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V8SUPERTOURERS LTD
Media statement
15 August 2011

Ford NZ gets in behind new V8SuperTourers
With the very first Ford V8SuperTourer racecar chassis arriving in Auckland on 8 August, organisers of the new V8SuperTourer racing series have also confirmed that Ford New Zealand will support the new series.

As Ford New Zealand confirmed its new role as a sponsor of the exciting new series, Auckland-based PSR West Racing took delivery of the first FG Falcon V8SuperTourer chassis from designer and constructor, Paul Ceprnich, of Pace Innovations, Australia.

John McIntyre, spokesperson for V8SuperTourers Ltd, said: “It’s fantastic to have Ford’s support of the ‘V8 Series of Champions’. On behalf of V8SuperTourers Ltd, I can say we are all proud to have the opportunity to provide Ford New Zealand with a sustainable platform to promote their current and future models through this exciting motorsport series.

“More than 110 individual parts from the FG Falcon road car go into making an FG Falcon V8SuperTourer. The FG Falcon is such a good looking road car, it also makes a very aggressive-looking racecar which we know fans will love.”

Chris Masterson, Ford New Zealand's marketing manager, comments: “Ford New Zealand is thrilled to be supporting this exciting new V8SuperTourers series. The combination of the great driver line-up and the sheer leap in performance of these racecars will set a very exciting stage for spectators, existing and new. This new series embodies what the Ford Falcon brand is all about: dynamic performance and style.”

McIntyre adds: “There will be no issues with parity between makes with each car having an identical chassis and 7-litre, all-alloy engine. On the track, it’s going to be down to pure racing – which of us has the best engineered and best driven race car on the day. It’s going to be very exciting, for us as drivers and engineers, for V8 race fans, and for Ford.”

A select group of Ford fans had the opportunity to see the first Ford production chassis at a gathering in Auckland before the team at PSR West took the unit back to their workshop to start work on the car and ready it for testing, scheduled for October, prior to February’s opening race meeting.

McIntyre notes: “This very first V8SuperTourer chassis is being built for Kiwi motor racing hero, Queensland-based Craig Baird, who will race it in the inaugural season of V8SuperTourer racing for PSR West. The hugely successful team is headed by Baird’s father-in-law Garry Pedersen, who is also one of the directors of V8SuperTourers Ltd. PSR has won three New Zealand V8 touring car championships with Mark Pedersen, Garry’s son, driving to take two titles and Baird taking the 2009-10 championship title.”

The PSR West Falcon is the first of six FG Falcons scheduled to arrive from Australia in coming weeks. The next two Ford units head to the now Taupo-based John McIntyre Racing workshop. McIntyre will drive one car himself and is still to announce the driver of his team’s second FG Falcon.

Three more Fords are also on their way for Christchurch drivers Andy Knight and Eddie Bell, and Auckland’s Colin Corkery via Penrose-based Racing Projects team of Nigel Barclay.

McIntyre and other confirmed drivers such as Greg Murphy, Kayne Scott, Andy Booth and Paul Manuell have tested the Holden-bodied V8SuperTourer prototype in recent months with highly favourable reports from all involved. Last Friday, Baird, Corkery and Hamilton-based Ant Pedersen (no relation to Garry) also stepped into the prototype for a thorough test session at Pukekohe Park Raceway.

After hundreds of fans turned out to buy tickets and meet many of the V8SuperTourer drivers at July’s CRC Speedshow in Auckland, teams are now looking forward to the serious work of preparing and testing their racecars before the action gets underway at Hampton Downs Motorsport Park over the weekend of 17 to 19 February. The seven-round inaugural V8SuperTourer series in 2012 also heads to Christchurch twice, Fielding and Taupo once with two additional rounds at the North Waikato Hampton Downs circuit.

Further details can be found on the V8SuperTourers website http://www.v8supertourers.co.nz.
ENDS/

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