V8 SuperTourers in NZ - 'Car Of Tomorrow' - Page 65

Intrepid · 17 May 2012, 05:07 (Ref:3075557)

Back to the cars - a new one has surfaced over at facebook.com/m2motorsport

And Hampton Downs not far away, anyone going? Will the issues be fixed?

Ugy · 22 May 2012, 02:48 (Ref:3077586)

No.......No

NZSTfan · 22 May 2012, 07:10 (Ref:3077634)

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Originally Posted by Intrepid

Back to the cars - a new one has surfaced over at facebook.com/m2motorsport

And Hampton Downs not far away, anyone going? Will the issues be fixed?

Yes.....Yes

flyingduck · 22 May 2012, 22:18 (Ref:3078079)

Bring it on, I hope all is fixed with the Engines as a full grid will be good to see.

Carpet cleaner · 24 May 2012, 03:40 (Ref:3078611)

Guys, read the media release - the Camry used in NZ V8s will use a Toyota engine. The engines used in V8ST are all Chev boat anchors. So why would Toyota even have a remote momentary interest in these unreliable ****ters? Every time a Camry bodied SuperTourer blew up people would think it was a Toyota engine.

No sign of Toyota joining V8SC yet, but it would again have to be using a Toyota engine. Chevs don't have enough cams or valves to do the job.

And BMW? Really? Mark Gilbert doesn't have the balls to step up. Plus where would they find the right engine to do so - the 5 Series V8? Any motorsport dev been done on that engine?

Carpet cleaner · 24 May 2012, 03:41 (Ref:3078612)

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Originally Posted by flyingduck

Bring it on, I hope all is fixed with the Engines as a full grid will be good to see.

FD it wasn't just those old consumer-spec engines, it was corner cutting on the radiators that did them in, Now there's a reliability cloud over the whole field...

Goat Boy · 24 May 2012, 04:46 (Ref:3078615)

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Originally Posted by Carpet cleaner

FD it wasn't just those old consumer-spec engines, it was corner cutting on the radiators that did them in, Now there's a reliability cloud over the whole field...

That's not what I read, my understanding is that there are a couple of teams either using the wrong oil or too much oil, which is causing the surge problems and crankcase temperature issues. ST management relented and allowed them to source their own radiators but reckon it won't make an iota of difference.

Guess we will see at Hampton Downs, won't we!

DX20VT · 24 May 2012, 06:27 (Ref:3078638)

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Originally Posted by Goat Boy

That's not what I read, my understanding is that there are a couple of teams either using the wrong oil or too much oil, which is causing the surge problems and crankcase temperature issues. ST management relented and allowed them to source their own radiators but reckon it won't make an iota of difference.

Guess we will see at Hampton Downs, won't we!

I thought they were not allowed the new radiators until after the next round, meaning they get them for the enduro's but not HD this month?

Goat Boy · 24 May 2012, 06:48 (Ref:3078646)

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Originally Posted by DX20VT

I thought they were not allowed the new radiators until after the next round, meaning they get them for the enduro's but not HD this month?

You could be right there, too.

harcey · 24 May 2012, 07:41 (Ref:3078663)

on another note....any scuttle out there on the endurance pairings?...i have heard that jonny Macs co-driver will be a surprise...we have murf and fabian confirmed but am not sure who else...

Blackpearl · 24 May 2012, 11:31 (Ref:3078773)

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Originally Posted by Carpet cleaner

FD it wasn't just those old consumer-spec engines, it was corner cutting on the radiators that did them in, Now there's a reliability cloud over the whole field...

Stop talking out of your arse, 2 teams have had a problem. Everyone else is having no problems.
I would be questioning the oil they are using and the lack of prep concerning the one team that pulled out of manfeild.

Icarus_nz · 24 May 2012, 18:38 (Ref:3078903)

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Originally Posted by Blackpearl

Stop talking out of your arse, 2 teams have had a problem. Everyone else is having no problems.
I would be questioning the oil they are using and the lack of prep concerning the one team that pulled out of manfeild.

OUCH!

but funny true

MacrosNZ · 24 May 2012, 22:02 (Ref:3078990)

Foggy has chucked some pics up
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...6485831&type=1

BackSeat Driver · 24 May 2012, 23:20 (Ref:3079020)

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Originally Posted by MacrosNZ

Foggy has chucked some pics up
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...6485831&type=1

Looks like TKR black to me!

Blackpearl · 25 May 2012, 09:04 (Ref:3079108)

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Originally Posted by Carpet cleaner

Guys, read the media release - the Camry used in NZ V8s will use a Toyota engine. The engines used in V8ST are all Chev boat anchors. So why would Toyota even have a remote momentary interest in these unreliable ****ters? Every time a Camry bodied SuperTourer blew up people would think it was a Toyota engine.

No sign of Toyota joining V8SC yet, but it would again have to be using a Toyota engine. Chevs don't have enough cams or valves to do the job.

And BMW? Really? Mark Gilbert doesn't have the balls to step up. Plus where would they find the right engine to do so - the 5 Series V8? Any motorsport dev been done on that engine?

Good luck with parity.

Get a clue then return.

Jerico · 25 May 2012, 09:42 (Ref:3079116)

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Originally Posted by Blackpearl

Good luck with parity.

Get a clue then return.

Good Post.

smokin'joe · 25 May 2012, 10:35 (Ref:3079131)

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Originally Posted by Blackpearl

Good luck with parity.

Get a clue then return.

so, Mr great knowledgeable one......... why is it assumed that the
Toyota will be so far ahead of the Ford and Holden entry???

stuck record i kinow, but no-one has come up to the plate to provide any logical reason why they will be, even though i have asked the question several times.

until the NZST faction/lovers/fanboys can come up with some facts, shove your parity issues were they fit until proven otherwise..........OK

Goat Boy · 25 May 2012, 10:45 (Ref:3079137)

That last post's gotta go, Joe, sorry mate.

However, I'd really like to see overlays of the power and torque curves for all three engines before and after mapping, would be a good exercise to see how effective it is, eh?

Jerico · 25 May 2012, 10:49 (Ref:3079140)

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Originally Posted by smokin'joe

so, Mr great knowledgeable one......... why is it assumed that the
Toyota will be so far ahead of the Ford and Holden entry???

stuck record i kinow, but no-one has come up to the plate to provide any logical reason why they will be, even though i have asked the question several times.

until the NZST faction/lovers/fanboys can come up with some facts, shove your parity issues were they fit until proven otherwise..........OK

Who knows which one will be faster. But you would have to be rather silly to think there will be no parity problems. History will tell you that. And they were both 5L ohv engines.

smokin'joe · 25 May 2012, 10:51 (Ref:3079141)

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Originally Posted by Goat Boy

That last post's gotta go, Joe, sorry mate.

However, I'd really like to see overlays of the power and torque curves for all three engines before and after mapping, would be a good exercise to see how effective it is, eh?

why, i believe i asked a similar question 3-4 weeks ago asking for dyno plots, for comparison, but the naysayers keep reckoning the Toyota camp will run away with it.

my arguement to themis simple:

put up or shut up. coming from a very long time Toyota supportor

if black pearl and co want to keep up an unsubstantiated slanging match, then bully for them. but without factual back-up, they can keep their narrow-minded opinions to themselves, no???

smokin'joe · 25 May 2012, 10:56 (Ref:3079146)

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Originally Posted by Jerico

Who knows which one will be faster. But you would have to be rather silly to think there will be no parity problems. History will tell you that. And they were both 5L ohv engines.

i don't think you are incorrect, Jerico, but i also don't believe it will be night and day differences.

i havn't seen a comparative plot for all 3 engines, but (could be quite incorrect here) i believe the car the Toyota V8 was installed in, is quite a bit lighter than an NZV8, and that needs to be taken into effect, maybe?

Jerico · 25 May 2012, 11:04 (Ref:3079149)

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Originally Posted by smokin'joe

i don't think you are incorrect, Jerico, but i also don't believe it will be night and day differences.

i havn't seen a comparative plot for all 3 engines, but (could be quite incorrect here) i believe the car the Toyota V8 was installed in, is quite a bit lighter than an NZV8, and that needs to be taken into effect, maybe?

You telling me that both the old nzv8s didn't both run 5L ohv engines?

smokin'joe · 25 May 2012, 11:22 (Ref:3079156)

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Originally Posted by Jerico

You telling me that both the old nzv8s didn't both run 5L ohv engines?

i reckon that would depend on who built them, and who paid for the build aye

on_to_it · 25 May 2012, 11:33 (Ref:3079160)

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Originally Posted by BackSeat Driver

Looks like TKR black to me!

Ohhhhh, you just have to be joking!

TKR - V8ST?

Never the twain shall meet. And if you don't know your Kipling - Not on yer nelly, big fella!

smokin'joe · 25 May 2012, 11:38 (Ref:3079162)

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Originally Posted by on_to_it

Ohhhhh, you just have to be joking!

TKR - V8ST?

Never the twain shall meet. And if you don't know your Kipling - Not on yer nelly, big fella!

maybe the big fella sold a heap of hotdogs and re-aligned himself with mr Fogg

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