LM24 Nissan return to Le Mans (G56) - Page 31

Simmi · 17 Oct 2013, 12:27 (Ref:3318911)

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Originally Posted by deggis

Same old, same old crap: http://tentenths.com/forum/showpost....&postcount=728

I get what you're saying.

But if they weren't going to do a P1 and sweep all mention of it under the carpet - why continue to mention it?

Why then go a step further and put a date on it?

Thaw Daggerslash · 17 Oct 2013, 12:32 (Ref:3318915)

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Originally Posted by Mal

Darren Cox just stated on RLM that Nissan are currently working on a LMP1 car to be running in 2015.. hopefully that means I no longer need to be cynical about Nissan's use of LM

I think if he said anything different, people on here would be calling for his head!

I know it's the flavour of the month (or year) to beat up on Nissan and this project, but I actually like it. Looks a lot better than the original Deltathing, and miles better than that monstrosity that is 'racing' in the ALMS.

Mal · 17 Oct 2013, 12:34 (Ref:3318916)

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Originally Posted by deggis

1:04:40 =>

http://audio.rpix.org.uk/specials/20...issan_zeod.mp3

"...our intention is that during 2015 we'll have a LMP1 car out..."

Slightly surprised that he actually mentioned a year but that still isn't an official announcement and even Cox says it with "IFs". I just got the feeling he said what Hindy wanted to hear, since his question started with "we know the car LMP1 car is coming...".

The next sentence also said they have people working on it, which I took to mean that they have committed resource - which is progress

deggis · 17 Oct 2013, 13:05 (Ref:3318927)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simmi

I get what you're saying.

But if they weren't going to do a P1 and sweep all mention of it under the carpet - why continue to mention it?

Why then go a step further and put a date on it?

Premise = free PR?

What does "car being out" even mean? Racing? Testing? Releasing a 3D render as a bargaining chip (for changing regs)?

And the thing I continue not to get is that if this ZEOD was really about testing stuff for P1 project evaluation, how can they be already designing P1, when the ZOED has not even run yet... what's the point "evaluating" something if the decision has been already taken?

Secondly, I just don't see the regulations getting changed so much in only their 2nd year that there could even be direct continuation of the powertrain side of things from the ZEOD. So to me the options are: a) just talk b) 2014-compliant P1 which has very little to do with the ZEOD.

And finally I just don't feel like believing a word what Cox says. Blame for hearing him all the time on RLM.

Pandamasque · 17 Oct 2013, 16:01 (Ref:3319013)

Before this whole ZEOD thing was presented (in renders not too dissimilar to what I've seen in the BIG NEWS today), a number very wise people expressed their expectations of Nismo bringing to g56 an existing LMP chassis (a known quantity!) in order to properly evaluate the new drivetrain technology... There were some naysayers from day one, but after this DW-scion has been unveiled it all went downhill from there in terms of naysayers being proven right, unfortunately.

TF110 · 17 Oct 2013, 22:03 (Ref:3319202)

Proven right about what? They never said their g56 would BE an lmp1 but would help gather knowledge FOR their lmp1. If they were to make an electric on demand lmp1 it wouldn't be allowed currently in the class. So they stick to a known concept in g56 to showcase tech and gain know how before stepping into lmp1. Whats hard to understand? I'd rather a g56 by nissan that may or may not lead to their p1 entry than no g56 no lmp.

gustavobamba · 17 Oct 2013, 22:12 (Ref:3319213)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Proven right about what? They never said their g56 would BE an lmp1 but would help gather knowledge FOR their lmp1. If they were to make an electric on demand lmp1 it wouldn't be allowed currently in the class. So they stick to a known concept in g56 to showcase tech and gain know how before stepping into lmp1. Whats hard to understand? I'd rather a g56 by nissan that may or may not lead to their p1 entry than no g56 no lmp.

+1

I think they should allow a 56th, 57th and 58th garage for new car´s.

All of them shoul be "outside the box" with diferent technology´s.

If then they step up to LMP 1 better, but if not... i don´t really care.

miatanut · 17 Oct 2013, 23:32 (Ref:3319246)

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Originally Posted by gustavobamba

+1

I think they should allow a 56th, 57th and 58th garage for new car´s.

All of them shoul be "outside the box" with diferent technology´s.

If then they step up to LMP 1 better, but if not... i don´t really care.

Ditto!

Give them stingier fuel limits than the "normal" cars and let them show which ideas are brilliant and which are duds.

Félix · 17 Oct 2013, 23:39 (Ref:3319250)

Just figured out why it looks so much better - the ACO-mandated holes on top of the wheels are gone!

Now it will start becoming really interesting when it hits the track - starting this week-end in Fuji. I remember when DW 1.0 first hit the track and it did indeed turn; and then at Sebring when it started showing some potential...

gwyllion · 18 Oct 2013, 08:29 (Ref:3319344)

A short of Fuji demo run: https://www.dailysportscar.com/?p=17031

deggis · 18 Oct 2013, 12:58 (Ref:3319445)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz-lNpkvlZo

Japanese Samurai · 20 Oct 2013, 05:52 (Ref:3320352)

This is the powertrain layout drawing of ZEOD RC drawn by Ben Bowlby via Kota Sera (Japanese motorsport journalist)'s blog
http://serakota.blog.so-net.ne.jp/2013-10-19

deggis · 21 Oct 2013, 19:18 (Ref:3321236)

More blah blah blah:

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Q: WHAT WOULD IT MEAN TO NISSAN TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN THE LM P1 CLASS AND HOW IMPORTANT A STEPPING STONE IS THE ZEOD RC TO ACHIEVE THAT?

Andy Palmer: “The Nissan ZEOD RC is a very important stepping stone and strategically we’d love to compete in the LM P1 class. If the rules constrain us in a way so that we’d just be another Audi or Toyota out there then we won’t come. If we’re allowed to be innovative with new powertrain and chassis technologies and be different then we’re extremely interested. Essentially my request to the team is to ‘be the bad boys’ – both on and off the track. We’re aiming to stretch the boundaries of the rules and the boundaries of physics. If we can do that and its ticks the boxes of ‘innovation and excitement for everyone’, then I don’t see any reason why we wouldn’t be here in 2015. But if we come, we come to win.”

Since pro-ZEOD are saying it is LMP1 is "confirmed", I can then claim that it is now confirmed they won't do LMP1, for as long as "constraining rules" is true.

Seriously what a load of crap.

From this release: http://www.endurance-info.com/en/and...he-lmp1-class/

Few hi-res pics in above link.

Tim240z · 21 Oct 2013, 19:55 (Ref:3321251)

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Originally Posted by deggis

More blah blah blah:

Since pro-ZEOD are saying it is LMP1 is "confirmed", I can then claim that it is now confirmed they won't do LMP1, for as long as "constraining rules" is true.

Seriously what a load of crap.

From this release: http://www.endurance-info.com/en/and...he-lmp1-class/

Few hi-res pics in above link.

I'm sure Audi had similar requests when they wanted to bring the diesles to LeMans.

deggis · 21 Oct 2013, 20:04 (Ref:3321260)

Not sure if that was in support of such changes to the regs, but: exactly... we know now how well it went last time a manufacturer got 100% what they wanted.

Difference is though that Audi could dictate the regulations to suit their diesel plans, Nissan luckily can't do that because there might be three parties laughing (in a "are you serious?" way) at the requests.

TF110 · 21 Oct 2013, 20:04 (Ref:3321261)

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Originally Posted by Tim240z

I'm sure Audi had similar requests when they wanted to bring the diesles to LeMans.

They did. Rules basically written for them. But Nissan isn't allowed to request such rules according to some here. They want to be different and thats commendable, now the ACO should take them into consideration, not just the European makes.

deggis · 22 Oct 2013, 03:25 (Ref:3321433)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_FUemUrjGk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...12fxWDvHI#t=37

Pretty unimpressive demo lap if it didn't actually go any faster than that.

TF110 · 22 Oct 2013, 04:04 (Ref:3321441)

Its just a demo, plus going fast in an unfinished car probably isnt a good idea.

deggis · 22 Oct 2013, 04:26 (Ref:3321445)

Why do a demo lap in with an unfinished car then...

TF110 · 22 Oct 2013, 04:34 (Ref:3321448)

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Originally Posted by deggis

Why do a demo lap in with an unfinished car then...

Didn't you see the press release? The WEC event at Fuji was a perfect place to showcase it for the Japanese fans.

deggis · 22 Oct 2013, 04:49 (Ref:3321451)

Did you see the "

" in the post?

But anyway: http://tentenths.com/forum/showpost....&postcount=746

TF110 · 22 Oct 2013, 08:18 (Ref:3321497)

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Originally Posted by deggis

Did you see the "

" in the post?

But anyway: http://tentenths.com/forum/showpost....&postcount=746

If you listened to the rlm broadcast during the practice sessions for Fuji, you would know why they haven't ran it at full power.

deggis · 22 Oct 2013, 08:46 (Ref:3321508)

I'm definitely going to listen 5 hours of podcasts now just to hear one sentence without even knowing who is supposed to be saying it. In other words link and approximate time of the podcast please or explain it.

TF110 · 22 Oct 2013, 21:25 (Ref:3321884)

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Originally Posted by deggis

I'm definitely going to listen 5 hours of podcasts now just to hear one sentence without even knowing who is supposed to be saying it. In other words link and approximate time of the podcast please or explain it.

Your sarcasm isn't needed. You continue to be negative, but you don't bother to inform yourself on the facts? Ok then

**Adam43** · 22 Oct 2013, 21:45 (Ref:3321896)

Please stop the tedious bickering.

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