Where are Brock's Race cars? - Page 8

**John Turner** · 2 Dec 2006, 15:40 (Ref:1780362)

Welcome dcvchdt, and thanks for additional info.

Al Weyman · 2 Dec 2006, 19:08 (Ref:1780447)

So where is the car (80's model) imported by Rick Woods I believe then owned by Peter Barnes and raced in ModProds.

suprat17 · 3 Dec 2006, 06:55 (Ref:1780669)

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Originally Posted by dcvchdt

Hi Guys

This is my first post and I would like to add some info on some of Brocks early Commodore race cars.

One car that has not been mentioned or found for that matter is Chassis 1 which started life as a VB winning the 1980 atcc. It was then converted to a VC for Moffat at Sandown and Havey/Harrop at Bathurst. It was sold on to Clive Benson Brown and raced in 81 where it was involved in the big shunt at Bathurst. It was converted to VH SS (small valve spec) for 82 and back to VC "HDT" (big valve spec) late in the atcc before returning to VH SS (big valve spec) for Bathurst. It ran 83 as VH SS before being sold to Jim Keogh in 84. It was then driven at Bathurst in 84 by Clift/Stack finishing 19th before being sold as a rolling chassis. This is one that still needs to be found and MIA!...................

I hear tell the current owner (and car) has recently surfaced in Darwin.

dcvchdt · 3 Dec 2006, 10:51 (Ref:1780857)

If that is the case, thats fantastic! Lets hope its gets restored to its former self and all documentation is preserved.
Cheers

cavvy · 6 Dec 2006, 02:41 (Ref:1782980)

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Originally Posted by Chatters

Someone created a list a short while back, just have a look through that and help out with the whereabouts wherever you can.

The Chatterer is a prolific source of mind numbing lists on the Aus site - step up to the plate here young man, produce a listing of value to others.

chavez · 15 Dec 2006, 21:46 (Ref:1791764)

I was watching the '72 Hardie 500 the earlier this week and a question came to my mind.

Brock is driving pretty hard on the last lap - he locks a brake into Hell Corner, runs wide at McPhillamy but then gets held up in the esses by a bunch of smaller cars.

Was Brock trying to set the fastest lap of the race on the last lap of the '72 race as he tried unsuccessfully in '78, but famously did in 1979?

A9X05 · 16 Dec 2006, 13:24 (Ref:1792107)

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Originally Posted by chavez

I was watching the '72 Hardie 500 the earlier this week and a question came to my mind.

Brock is driving pretty hard on the last lap - he locks a brake into Hell Corner, runs wide at McPhillamy but then gets held up in the esses by a bunch of smaller cars.

Was Brock trying to set the fastest lap of the race on the last lap of the '72 race as he tried unsuccessfully in '78, but famously did in 1979?

Next time I see the vision of that fantastic 1972 race I will take note! It doesnt surprise me though, Brock doing what was to become natural, winning at "his" track trying to "BROCK" the lap record on the last and winning lap in the allmighty Torana XU-1

racer69 · 16 Dec 2006, 16:38 (Ref:1792185)

I haven't got the '72 results handy at the moment, but how far in front of the 2nd placed car (John French's Falcon) was he? Earlier in the race Brick had been given a 1 minute penalty, perhaps he was making sure he kept the gap above 1 minute?

A9X05 · 16 Dec 2006, 23:53 (Ref:1792401)

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Originally Posted by racer69

I haven't got the '72 results handy at the moment, but how far in front of the 2nd placed car (John French's Falcon) was he? Earlier in the race Brick had been given a 1 minute penalty, perhaps he was making sure he kept the gap above 1 minute?

Brock won in 1972, even with the 1 minute penalty, and was credited the (500 Mile) race with 130 laps, and Frenchy was second on 129. I am not sure about the exact distance with timing!

chavez · 17 Dec 2006, 01:51 (Ref:1792444)

Timing off the Channel Seven telecast, Brock's last lap was 2 minutes and 45 seconds. John French crosses the line one lap, one minute and five seconds behind Brock.

Brock's last lap time is not quick (he qualified in 2:38.2) but I can't find a record his fastest lap of the race. He certainly loses several seconds down the esses to Forrest's Elbow.

Maybe Harry Firth, taking into account the possibility of the ARDC making an lap scoring error, instructed Brock to make sure he had at least 60 seconds over John French at the finish in case the ARDC had made an error and indeed French was on the same lap?

racer69 · 18 Dec 2006, 16:38 (Ref:1793763)

That could be the answer, remembering Firth had been at the centre of a lap-scoring drama with the Geoghegans back in 1967 at the end of the 500.

Perhaps he was after a quick lap on the final lap though, the track was the best it had been all day for a quick time, and as mentioned he had a go at it in '78 and succeeded in '79.

scoupe · 19 Dec 2006, 10:19 (Ref:1794437)

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Originally Posted by cavvy

What happened to the Alan Hamilton Porsche 924 GTR that Brock, Richards, Bond failed to qualify for Le Mans, about 1981 (?).

Sold by Hamilton as a turbo 944 after Colin Bond drove it for a couple of years.

Any other news on this ..."Spirit of Australia" 924

Chatters · 21 Dec 2006, 06:31 (Ref:1796465)

Don't know if this has been covered- Where is Brocky's 2004 (?) Nations Cup Monaro?

racer69 · 21 Dec 2006, 09:11 (Ref:1796546)

The one he started '04 with (the '03 Bathurst winner) is with Rob Sherrard.

The 'Team Brock' entry, which won the last Nations Cup race, last i heard was at MCR with a For Sale sign in the window.

cavvy · 27 Dec 2006, 01:09 (Ref:1799650)

The ex Brock open wheeler is being rebuilt in Western Australia - see the chassis history under Birrana.

**John Turner** · 4 Jan 2007, 08:56 (Ref:1805869)

Just to let you know that I have added Peter Brock to our new 'Driver Files' sub forum, and you guys are, I'm sure, best placed to add some racing career detail to it. It's here:-

http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92430

racer2_uk · 7 Jan 2007, 20:42 (Ref:1809062)

Hi Henry and others, to help with "the list" of Brock's car's, the first Ford Sierra RS500 that he used in 1989 is here in the UK owned by a great mate of mine Steve Matthias, this is an ex-Andy Rouse car from the BTCC.

The car was driven at the Ford RS Owners day at Donington Park in 2005 by Andy Rouse.

It was great to see 9 Group "A" sierra's on track together from Goode, Rouse, Eggenberger, Johnson, Brodie and Brooklyn.

Andy Lloyd

A9XFAN · 13 Jan 2007, 06:40 (Ref:1813836)

Originally Posted by Henry
Listing them in chronological order:
1969 Monaro GTS - I believe I saw an article where this car had been rediscovered recently
1970 Torana GTR - ??
1971 Torana XU-1 - ??
1972 Torana XU-1 - This one's covered in this thread somewhere, general consensus is that it's gone.
1973 Torana XU-1 - ???
1974 Torana L34 - ???
1975 Torana L34 - Winner. Converted to road trim and totalled, as per the thread.
1976 Torana L34 - ???
1977 Torana A9X - Still exists, I believe. - ???
1978 Torana A9X - Winner. Crashed by Ron Harrop in 1979, restored into #76 livery by Jim Sheppard. Now in 1978 livery and owned by Bowdens.
1979 Torana A9x - Winner. Owned by Bowdens
1980 VC Commodore - Winner. Steve's car.
1981 VC Commodore - ???
1982 VH Commodore - Winner. See below.
1983 VH Commodore - 05 DNF - ??? #25 - Winner, same chassis that won in 1982. Owned by Peter CHampion
1984 VK Commodore - Winner. Now with Peter Champion. Or Bathurst Museum, depending on who's to be believed. Be nice to get to the bottom of it, but none of the parties involved in the car's original build and race history seem to want to weigh in.
1985 VK Commodore - ???
1986 VK Commodore - 86VK knows where this one is
1987 VL Commodore - #05 DNF, and now I believe in Peter Champion's collection. #10 - Winner, now in the Bowden Collection.
1988 BMW M3 - well, it's around somewhere...Jim Richards believes that it's the one he owns now, but is there irrefutable proof?
1989 Sierra RS500 - ???
1990 Sierra RS500 - ???
1991 VN Commodore - ???
1992 VP Commodore - ???
1993 VP Commodore - ???
1994 VP Commodore - ???
1995 VR Commodore - ???
1996 VR Commodore - ???
1997 VS Commodore - ???
2002 Commodore - ???
2004 Commodore - ???

Fair few blanks to be filled...

Just a couple of points here
the 1972 XU1 is around but it was reshelled many years ago after being rolled at bathurst in about 74 or 75
The 1973 XU1 is the one Paul tate owned and recently sold for $500,000
The two L34's HDT used in 74 are around, but which one is the car Brock drove at bathurst is a bit of a mystery and the owners of the cars both believe they have the car
The 75 was destroyed though rumours suggest whilst it was written off, the car may still exist
The 1977 A9X was sold to Gramme Moore and raced by Fred Gibson and I'm told it exists and is being restored.
The 1978 A9X was Brocks 3rd shell for the 78 season and bcame Harveys car in 1979. Harrop crashed it after brake failure. Jim Shepherd (not team manager John Sheppard) was contracted by Holden to restore the car to the 78 bathurst winning specs, however Holden pulled out and Jim restored the car out of his own money back to the 1978 Brock Richards winning machine, not the 76 harvey car.
The 1979 car was owned by Brock up until 1992 or 93 and sold to a Melbourne guy who onsold it to the Bowdens in 99.

Alex E · 13 Jan 2007, 11:06 (Ref:1813946)

Another one to add to the list. I am currently restoring the Team Brock BMW CSL he drove at Le Mans ( # 46 retired 19 Hours...) with Brian Muir & Jean Claude Audriet in 1976.
Alex

cavvy · 14 Jan 2007, 05:01 (Ref:1814667)

What part of the world is the resto happening alex?

what colour scheme are you planning to use?

Camaroz · 16 Jan 2007, 11:41 (Ref:1816445)

Quote:

Originally Posted by A9XFAN

Originally Posted by Henry
Listing them in chronological order:
1969 Monaro GTS - I believe I saw an article where this car had been rediscovered recently
1970 Torana GTR - ??
1971 Torana XU-1 - ??
1972 Torana XU-1 - This one's covered in this thread somewhere, general consensus is that it's gone.
1973 Torana XU-1 - ???
1974 Torana L34 - ???
1975 Torana L34 - Winner. Converted to road trim and totalled, as per the thread.
1976 Torana L34 - ???
1977 Torana A9X - Still exists, I believe. - ???
1978 Torana A9X - Winner. Crashed by Ron Harrop in 1979, restored into #76 livery by Jim Sheppard. Now in 1978 livery and owned by Bowdens.
1979 Torana A9x - Winner. Owned by Bowdens
1980 VC Commodore - Winner. Steve's car.
1981 VC Commodore - ???
1982 VH Commodore - Winner. See below.
1983 VH Commodore - 05 DNF - ??? #25 - Winner, same chassis that won in 1982. Owned by Peter CHampion
1984 VK Commodore - Winner. Now with Peter Champion. Or Bathurst Museum, depending on who's to be believed. Be nice to get to the bottom of it, but none of the parties involved in the car's original build and race history seem to want to weigh in.
1985 VK Commodore - ???
1986 VK Commodore - 86VK knows where this one is
1987 VL Commodore - #05 DNF, and now I believe in Peter Champion's collection. #10 - Winner, now in the Bowden Collection.
1988 BMW M3 - well, it's around somewhere...Jim Richards believes that it's the one he owns now, but is there irrefutable proof?
1989 Sierra RS500 - ???
1990 Sierra RS500 - ???
1991 VN Commodore - ???
1992 VP Commodore - ???
1993 VP Commodore - ???
1994 VP Commodore - ???
1995 VR Commodore - ???
1996 VR Commodore - ???
1997 VS Commodore - ???
2002 Commodore - ???
2004 Commodore - ???

Fair few blanks to be filled...

Just a couple of points here
the 1972 XU1 is around but it was reshelled many years ago after being rolled at bathurst in about 74 or 75
The 1973 XU1 is the one Paul tate owned and recently sold for $500,000
The two L34's HDT used in 74 are around, but which one is the car Brock drove at bathurst is a bit of a mystery and the owners of the cars both believe they have the car
The 75 was destroyed though rumours suggest whilst it was written off, the car may still exist
The 1977 A9X was sold to Gramme Moore and raced by Fred Gibson and I'm told it exists and is being restored.
The 1978 A9X was Brocks 3rd shell for the 78 season and bcame Harveys car in 1979. Harrop crashed it after brake failure. Jim Shepherd (not team manager John Sheppard) was contracted by Holden to restore the car to the 78 bathurst winning specs, however Holden pulled out and Jim restored the car out of his own money back to the 1978 Brock Richards winning machine, not the 76 harvey car.
The 1979 car was owned by Brock up until 1992 or 93 and sold to a Melbourne guy who onsold it to the Bowdens in 99.

Re the 1980 Commodore, who is Steve?

Chatters · 17 Jan 2007, 07:55 (Ref:1817211)

Don't know, but you own that one don't you?

Camaroz · 17 Jan 2007, 10:13 (Ref:1817323)

Hi Chatters,

Yes I do own the car (much to the disgust of low-life race car collectors out there! (No reference to A9XFAN or Henry here at all)

I constantly see references to 'Steve', don't know where this comes from.

Must be from the same ill-informed that report such things as "assumed identity" of my car to the Victorian Police "Stolen Vehicle Squad". No telling how low they will go to try and discredit me and the car! That accusation has now been addressed and will now progress to the Victoria Police Ombudsman, through the proper channels, fully documented (wasting Police time etc..) before the end of the month. Following that, I can then start on the harrasment charges along with a half a dozen others in the "Group C" community.

Hold onto your hat Terry!!!!!. Better let your mate up North know as well !!!!!!

Remember Glass Houses.

**John Turner** · 17 Jan 2007, 12:10 (Ref:1817420)

Ok, noted, but let's please not go there again, in here.

When the list is next updated, can we please remove the unidentified 'Steve' and put in Camaroz (or actual name!).

Camaroz · 17 Jan 2007, 21:22 (Ref:1817918)

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Originally Posted by John Turner

Ok, noted, but let's please not go there again, in here.

When the list is next updated, can we please remove the unidentified 'Steve' and put in Camaroz (or actual name!).

OK

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