2012 Bathurst 12 Hour - 24-26 February

[Reload]

Originally Posted by woodduck97

Think it is more than just a scheduling issue. If you can find the clip of "in pit lane" interview with TQ from Shannons Nationals at Sandown, this would be very apparent....

I thought that it was common knowledge that TQ has been more than happy to tell whoever is listening that it is more than a case of a scheduling issue, in fact he doesn't sound like he would give the time of day to the organisers of the 12 hour due what he perceives to be inconsistencies in rules and regulations regarding entrants etc.

[cptkablamo]

For guys like Crick, however, it IS a scheduling issue as he said here

[MalcolmC]

Originally Posted by peckstar

why should he be supporting the stand alone event, I wasnt aware he was a charity.

its easy to spend someones elese money

TQ's having no trouble spending his own money.
http://www.odt.co.nz/regions/central...fter-park-sale

[R4z3rw33n]

Originally Posted by woodduck97

Think it is more than just a scheduling issue. If you can find the clip of "in pit lane" interview with TQ from Shannons Nationals at Sandown, this would be very apparent....

There are other issues and factors at play. This seems to be the most significant. I've seen the interview you've mentioned and, it doesn't change the situation or, my view towards it.

Quinn's is entitled to his perspective as both a competitor, and the owner of a competing entity. While I disagree with the reasoning behind his boycotting the event as a competitor, I can acknowledge his desire to compete elsewhere or, not at all.

His perspective as the owner of a competing entity isn't as justified - providing we're assuming he advocates progress (i.e. growth).

Whether Quinn likes it or not, the 12 Hour can (and, given the opportunity will) have a positive effect on the Australian sportscar/GT scene; in which he controls a commanding stake. Sacrificing potential personal gain, solely to hinder the progress of another, is pure shortsightedness.

[TCR]

Agreed. Whether TQ decides the 12Hr is something he wants to be a part of or not, I think he owes it to the other GT competitors to try and make the scheduling work, so that other GT competitors have the opportunity to do both events if they desire.

[Reload]

Originally Posted by cptkablamo

For guys like Crick, however, it IS a scheduling issue as he said here

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Whilst i am not saying that Crick is telling '' porkies'', would it be fair to say that some / any of our local GT drivers might take the easy out by using the scheduling excuse / reason in order to stay onside with TQ ?

[Reload]

Originally Posted by Reload

\n\n\n\nWhilst i am not saying that Crick is telling '' porkies'', would it be fair to say that some / any of our local GT drivers might take the easy out by using the scheduling excuse / reason in order to stay onside with TQ ?

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Just to clarify, i mean that staying onside with TQ is by not entering the 12 hour.

[racer69]

Originally Posted by bluesport

I think there will be room for both Tony, with GT3 taking top billing.

In the likely/unlikely (depending on your personal opinion) scenario that V8Supercars fell over, it is highly unlikely GT racing in any form would fill the void (production cars in their present form wouldn't either)

Australian fans have spoken for decades that the way to attract and keep fans means you need local cars competitive.

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by racer69

In the likely/unlikely (depending on your personal opinion) scenario that V8Supercars fell over, it is highly unlikely GT racing in any form would fill the void (production cars in their present form wouldn't either)

Australian fans have spoken for decades that the way to attract and keep fans means you need local cars competitive.

Only the vocal bogan fans.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by bluesport

Only the vocal bogan fans.

as opposed to the up themselves GT fans who like something they can only dream about

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by peckstar

as opposed to the up themselves GT fans who like something they can only dream about

You must like GT cars else you wouldn't be in this thread.

[chavez]

Originally Posted by bluesport

Only the vocal bogan fans.

If this describes the bulk of Australian motor racing fans then so be it.

I like sportscar racing but I know that to get a crowd in this country to a motor race you need either Formula One or Touring Cars.

GT racing is never going to capture the imagination of a wider audience.

[Sheep Stations]

Originally Posted by Reload

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Whilst i am not saying that Crick is telling '' porkies'', would it be fair to say that some / any of our local GT drivers might take the easy out by using the scheduling excuse / reason in order to stay onside with TQ ?

No, not fair to say...even a hardy Porker is going to be pretty tired after 12 hours. A lot of effort to get to Adelaide and turn an Enduro car around in time, even if you avoid damage. Not to mention the cost...

B12 hour was locked in long before Clipsal date announced on the back of Melbourne GP being brought forward a week. B12 hour couldn't be changed because of the Dubai 12 hour.

Just bad luck in the scheduling for all concerned. The boys playing in GT are no shrinking violets. Didn't get where they are by giving a stuff about skirting around egos ala the suggestions about staying onside with TQ. Laughable.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by bluesport

You must like GT cars else you wouldn't be in this thread.

im interested in the 12 hour race

i find gt cars quite boring and painful on the ears.

but for some reason they are now part of the 12 hour race so i will put up with them

[osrg]

Originally Posted by peckstar

i find gt cars quite boring and painful on the ears

Then what is a V8SC to your ears? Popping farting hunk of **** taxi's that they are....

You can't of heard too many GT cars to form that opinion..... 458 GT3, the LP560/600's and the Aston DBRS9's etc are among the best sounding racecars on the planet.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by osrg

Then what is a V8SC to your ears? Popping farting hunk of **** taxi's that they are....

You can't of heard too many GT cars to form that opinion..... 458 GT3, the LP560/600's and the Aston DBRS9's etc are among the best sounding racecars on the planet.

not that its relevant, but yes i have and no they're not

[scudd]

Originally Posted by peckstar

im interested in the 12 hour race

i find gt cars quite boring and painful on the ears.

but for some reason they are now part of the 12 hour race so i will put up with them

You're just baiting ffs.

Listen to this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDdHW...e_gdata_player

[osrg]

Originally Posted by scudd

You're just baiting ffs.

Listen to this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDdHW...e_gdata_player

or this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0PLgQ65o04

[St00ge]

I personally think the Australian GT championship needs to include the 12hr in some way, hopefully in the following years the moons align and they can come to an arrangement as those extra cars would only make the 12hr a better international event and everybody wins (well except the bottom class who may lose out to allow sub 2.08 laps )

[scudd]

Originally Posted by St00ge

I personally think the Australian GT championship needs to include the 12hr in some way, hopefully in the following years the moons align and they can come to an arrangement as those extra cars would only make the 12hr a better international event and everybody wins (well except the bottom class who may lose out to allow sub 2.08 laps )

Excellent idea, make it the first round, double points, drop clipsal.

[Reload]

[QUOTE=St00ge;3019804]I personally think the Australian GT championship needs to include the 12hr in some way, hopefully in the following years the moons align and they can come to an arrangement as those extra cars would only make the 12hr a better international event and everybody wins (well except the bottom class who may lose out to allow sub 2.08 laps )[/QUOTE

[Reload]

Originally Posted by scudd

Excellent idea, make it the first round, double points, drop clipsal.

Hell no, leave it as a stand alone event and let them put it all on the line without championship ramifications.
Is there any bait on that hook scudd regarding Clipsal ?

[scudd]

Originally Posted by Reload

Hell no, leave it as a stand alone event and let them put it all on the line without championship ramifications.
Is there any bait on that hook scudd regarding Clipsal ?

Bait?

I've entered and the car goes from Bathurst straight to Adelaide so everything needs to go right.

It's a big ask.

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by Reload

Hell no, leave it as a stand alone event and let them put it all on the line without championship ramifications.
Is there any bait on that hook scudd regarding Clipsal ?

Reload, I think the 12hr would need to be part of the championship.

[GROUPA]

Originally Posted by peckstar

as opposed to the up themselves GT fans who like something they can only dream about

I'm starting to understand your username now, a lot of emphasis on peck not so much on star.

Your comments are so far off the mark it is hilarious....clearly you have not been to a GT event in Victoria with car clubs marque very supportive of the GT cclass with bigger plans this year.