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I remember the turbos of the 80's and they sounded fine,even if a bit less shrill than the current engines.I also remember murmurings about the switch to normally aspirated engines not having quite the effect on cost reduction that had been desired as each engine consisted of a greater number of parts.A few years later we had the saga of ever more exotic metals being utilised in the pursuit of absurd engine revs.I would expect that the lessons of the last few years regarding surface treatment of components and the pursuit of longer service life should give some good engines.The only slight quibble I have is that I would have liked the FIA to mandate that the engines should be able to start from cold.It would surely help the development of engines for the real world if the heating rigs could be banished.
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Ah! Sorry! 'Spec fuel', same thing applies. The boffins will work out which engine configuration will be best, even before they start making parts for an engine. And, in the end, everyone will end up using the same configuration that works best after the first season. Either that or they will count their losses and leave F1. Last edited by Marbot; 2 Oct 2012 at 22:12. |
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Is Bernie the best judge of how an engine sounds? I would imagine that at his age he would not know the difference..
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IndyCars aren't noisy, but I had a crisis standing in the paddock whenever they had a restart.
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It is said that Bernie can hear the sound of a ten pound note at twenty paces, and the sound of a twenty pound note at forty paces. When he opens a suitcase full of money, it is said that he needs to take a headache remedy.
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The turbo-engines used in the mid-1980s were equally or even more efficient than the contemporary ones, as the FISA limited the fuel tank sizes back then.
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V8 Supercars in Australia use a 85% ethanol blend in their V8s in the name of environmental concerns. I don't see why F1 couldn't look at something similar.
I didn't like the change from V12, or from V10. I won't like the change to the turbos either at first. But I'll still watch because I love the racing. |
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Here's Pepe Jeans the Red Bull Designers' take on the new economy and simplicity of the new turbo engines. Don't know why the interviewer keeps calling him Adrian Newey when his name is on his shirt, but still 4:00 mins into the interview look at his expression when uttering the "economy spiel"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC-v1UKoHY More complete interview - Great Stuff! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UmVJTDWkpA Last edited by wnut; 4 Oct 2012 at 12:25. |
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Err, it is Adrian Newey. Pepe Jeans are a sponsor. Or were you trying to be funny?
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Err, yeah. Back to the video. Mr Newey had better hope that Renault make his 2014 engine/ERS package more economical than the current engine/KERS package, otherwise they'll be in deep doo doo.
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I'm flabbergasted that he's still using pen, paper and a drawing board...
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But they were slower. Even when they turned up the boost for qualifying, they were slower. 1200 plus BHP eats a lot of fuel, wouldn't you say? And you certainly wouldn't get too far on a tankful with that much boost? |
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Great article introducing "pedal mapping" for anyone that is interested:
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slower in a straight line or just inferior aero?
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If the turbo engine rules were to be the same as those of the eighties for the 2014 season i.e. 220 litres of fuel, multiple turbo's, unlimited engines, etc, there's no way you could have '1.6' litre capacity turbo engines in 2014. Even with an eighties engine fitted in it, the modern F1 cars would be way too fast, in a straight line, and around the corners. So, just technical improvements in general. But particularly with regards to aero and suspension.
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The total package was indeed slower, as those cars had an higher centre of gravity and reduced stiffness and were less compact.
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