KERS in V8 Supercars???

Matthew Ronke · 21 Nov 2008, 03:56 (Ref:2338654)

BOSCH are developing a KERS system for all forms of motorsport. Will it be long before it finds itself in a V8 Supercar especially with the Green message being spruiked.

Pro Racer · 21 Nov 2008, 04:10 (Ref:2338657)

would be interesting to see. aslong as they don't bugger around weth the aero and make it ugly as then i'll be happy ohh and i hope no one gets electricuted.

Forda · 21 Nov 2008, 05:33 (Ref:2338665)

Here's a Wikipedia link explaining the concept:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regener...covery_Systems

F J Nedos · 21 Nov 2008, 05:58 (Ref:2338670)

It would be more environmentally appropriate to fit it to the factory produced consumer cars first, one would think.

A handful of V8 supercars who already run 85 percent ethanol (or whatever it is), doing a couple of hours worth every 2nd or 3rd weekend wouldn't pollute anywhere near as much as people think. The tens of thousands of road going commodores and falcons would be more responsible for the world becoming inhabitable in 5 years time. You know, causing the air to be unbreathable, and the oil supplies drained leaving big empty pockets of air under the earth's skin to collapse under as all...

It's in the media. it must be true

Still, if they put KERS in a V8 supercar, wouldn't the cost be substantial?

naca · 13 Feb 2014, 02:12 (Ref:3367571)

Cost would definitely be an issue, along with safety. Pretty sure the track workers now have to have rubber gloves and the like to deal with F1 cars with kers in them.

Axeman444 · 13 Feb 2014, 04:21 (Ref:3367589)

why drag up a 5-and-a-bit year old thread to make that statement?

F J Nedos · 13 Feb 2014, 04:30 (Ref:3367590)

Exactly. Back then, I was the thread killer and this thread was part of my handywork!

EfiOz · 13 Feb 2014, 22:20 (Ref:3368153)

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Originally Posted by Matthew Ronke

BOSCH are developing a KERS system for all forms of motorsport.

And Marelli are about 5 years in front of them, so don't hold your breath on a release date.

Razor · 14 Feb 2014, 02:28 (Ref:3368287)

Really? Sorry to be a dinosaur but whatever happened to production based racing?

ff s conscience · 14 Feb 2014, 09:56 (Ref:3368392)

If V8 supercars were to get a technology upgrade, I'd suggest maybe using differentials as a start, bring them up to the 1940s, then slowly introduce hardcore clever things like overhead camshafts across the range, hell how about ABS/Traction control, maybe even Paddle shift!

The skys the limit! Currently stuck at "back of a ute" level.....

naca · 14 Feb 2014, 12:13 (Ref:3368413)

Weren;t they going to introduce a diff with the COTF but it got shot down due to cost and drivers *****ing they didn't know how to drive with them.

Umai Naa · 14 Feb 2014, 12:26 (Ref:3368419)

I seem to recall some drivers almost begging for a proper diff in them.

I too, would like to see all makes run an OHC engine.

TWRv12 · 14 Feb 2014, 19:44 (Ref:3368542)

Wouldn't they need a new transaxle if they fit KERS...

GHOGH · 25 Apr 2014, 21:00 (Ref:3398266)

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Originally Posted by TWRv12

Wouldn't they need a new transaxle if they fit KERS...

Quite a few attachments can be hung on the outside of the Albins transaxle.
Kers generation/ power unit might need to be put on the back of the engine with the clutch unit.
http://youtu.be/CXOo4utpWow

As an interim - an electronic power boost module for the engines might be better way to go -like the A1GP cars have. It was fairly boring watching the failed passing attempts at Pukekohe yesterday due to the cars having similar power there was almost no way to overtake without just about binning the car on the narrow Pukekohe track.

V8SCs - Hampton Downs and a power boost engine module next year please or kers if the budget allows.

PowerBoost[edit]
The PowerBoost button on the A1 car allows the engine to reach its maximum of 550 bhp (410 kW). When used at the right time, this feature can encourage overtaking. For the PowerBoost to activate, the throttle position must be above 80% and the speed more than 60 km/h. The button must also be depressed to continue on PowerBoost mode. However, the PowerBoost automatically deactivates itself if the throttle falls below 40%. Each driver only has a limited number of uses of the PowerBoost function. The driver can only use it four times in a sprint race and eight times in a feature race. Once these maximum allocated uses of the PowerBoost have been used, the system is disabled until the end of the race, after which Zytek engineers reset the system for the next race.[9]

GHOGH · 25 Apr 2014, 21:43 (Ref:3398279)

Also the Flybrid unit.
http://youtu.be/CtGB173abNA

http://www.flybridsystems.com/

Probably something similar would be the starting point as it fits on the back of the engine and 'they' quote a 1/3 rd of the cost of the battery/ electric kers system.

EfiOz · 26 Apr 2014, 05:27 (Ref:3398354)

The power boost in the A1GP car was just a different engine map, not a KERS unit.

Notso Swift · 30 Apr 2014, 07:00 (Ref:3399914)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ff s conscience

If V8 supercars were to get a technology upgrade, I'd suggest maybe using differentials as a start, bring them up to the 1940s, then slowly introduce hardcore clever things like overhead camshafts across the range, hell how about ABS/Traction control, maybe even Paddle shift!

The skys the limit! Currently stuck at "back of a ute" level.....

Porsche 962's use a spool, they went all right

GHOGH · 30 Apr 2014, 07:27 (Ref:3399922)

V8 supercars could probably put their own kers together.
A CSIRO ultra battery, an 'outback' electric motor/ generator unit, motec controller.
http://www.csiro.au/Outcomes/Energy/...tery-FAQs.aspx

ff s conscience · 30 Apr 2014, 09:17 (Ref:3399950)

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Originally Posted by Notso Swift

Porsche 962's use a spool, they went all right

Not so sure. Even many 956s were modified in many ways to improve upon the delivery spec, and 962s were two a penny with nearly 100 made, and those that went the best were more often than not modified "extensively" by teams like Joest and Kremer and others who's names escape me right now.

chavez · 30 Apr 2014, 10:11 (Ref:3399962)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ff s conscience

Not so sure. Even many 956s were modified in many ways to improve upon the delivery spec, and 962s were two a penny with nearly 100 made, and those that went the best were more often than not modified "extensively" by teams like Joest and Kremer and others who's names escape me right now.

HDT

EfiOz · 1 May 2014, 02:35 (Ref:3400206)

That was a Kremer car that Bob rented for them.

rich07 · 1 May 2014, 12:14 (Ref:3400332)

I saw a poster of that car in an antique shop recently going for $75. Good photo too but has a few wear and tear marks.

Tourer · 2 May 2014, 10:03 (Ref:3400678)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ff s conscience

If V8 supercars were to get a technology upgrade, I'd suggest maybe using differentials as a start, bring them up to the 1940s, then slowly introduce hardcore clever things like overhead camshafts across the range, hell how about ABS/Traction control, maybe even Paddle shift!

The skys the limit! Currently stuck at "back of a ute" level.....

Quite common for high level open wheelers (such as F1) and other specialist race cars to use spool diffs at some tracks - nothing wrong with them for racing purposes. Diffs much more necessary for road cars but a V8 isn't a road car so no issues there.

Overhead camshaft engines have been fitted to cars since 1914 (happy anniversary!!). Nothing especially modern or clever about them. Just a different way of doing things that has some advantages and some disadvantages.

ABS/Traction Control - no thanks, this is a series that looks for driver & team performance, not one where an ordinary driver can run at the front with the help of such aids.

Paddle shift - yeah maybe but really no great leap over the setup in them now which works fine.

ff s conscience · 2 May 2014, 12:53 (Ref:3400739)

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Originally Posted by Tourer

Quite common for high level open wheelers (such as F1) and other specialist race cars to use spool diffs at some tracks - nothing wrong with them for racing purposes. Diffs much more necessary for road cars but a V8 isn't a road car so no issues there.

Overhead camshaft engines have been fitted to cars since 1914 (happy anniversary!!). Nothing especially modern or clever about them. Just a different way of doing things that has some advantages and some disadvantages.

ABS/Traction Control - no thanks, this is a series that looks for driver & team performance, not one where an ordinary driver can run at the front with the help of such aids.

Paddle shift - yeah maybe but really no great leap over the setup in them now which works fine.

Sorry, F1 cars run spools.... ! Interesting!

The rest just gets funnier, especially the bit about how abs/traction is an unwanted driver aid, yet you think paddle shift is fine..

It's nice to enjoy "old school", but reality needs to be observed too.

Tourer · 2 May 2014, 14:19 (Ref:3400781)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ff s conscience

Sorry, F1 cars run spools.... ! Interesting!

The rest just gets funnier, especially the bit about how abs/traction is an unwanted driver aid, yet you think paddle shift is fine..

It's nice to enjoy "old school", but reality needs to be observed too.

Yeah, spools not an uncommon approach at some tracks for some teams. Paddle shift can operate a manual 'box - not a huge change if you think about it from the current sequential gearbox activation, still would have a clutch.

Reality is exactly what we have - absolutely no point in adding supposedly more "modern" or higher tech gear just for the sake of it.