[WEC Race] WEC/ALMS Round 1: The 12 Hours of Sebring

[arakis]

Originally Posted by Ultimo

Why would Joey let the 51 by?

*technicly, the 51 was the faster car on the track, and the rules state that cars can unlap themselves...
*also he could have avoided the grief....
*but then again he thought it was the 71

[Nick6]

Originally Posted by Ultimo

Why would Joey let the 51 by?

Why try to fight off a driver 90 laps down acting like an idiot?

[MitchZ06]

It was actually hard to pick out the numbers on the doors in the shots we got for TV, I only realised it was the 51 when it bunted the BMW off the track.....

[arakis]

Originally Posted by MitchZ06

It was actually hard to pick out the numbers on the doors in the shots we got for TV, I only realised it was the 51 when it bunted the BMW off the track.....

I got it right away...but then again I prety much only watched the ferraris

[Articus]

I did not even see it until they showed the replay. Joey thought it was the 71 car. He thought Beretta tried to wreck him.

Then he had some choice comments afterwards about Beretta? When has Beretta ever been on Joey's bad side? I do not recall them banging fenders at all last season.

Btw. Awesome save by Joey. He was practically 80 degrees sideways and on the dirt and still managed to save that one.

Gonna stay up a little while longer to cheer on the Ice Man in the opening round in Melbourne for F1! Action packed weekend of racing.

[Accident]

Originally Posted by arakis

Its on the front page of alms.com site, and the first video they featured I might add

Which is pretty lame imo, no need to encourage people to do stuff like that.

[Articus]

For some reason ALMS advertising crew believes the only way to get people to notice is to show crashes or near crashes. There was this one commercial that kept airing all race long talking about the excitment of ALMS and the background was just a montage of wrecks, spins etc from last season and 2010...

[FstrthnU]

Originally Posted by gregtummer

How many last lap battles have we seen in GT?

Sebring 2012
Sebring 2007
Petit 2010
Laguna Seca 2010?

Petit Le Mans 2011
Laguna Seca 2011

Mid-Ohio 2011 was crazy, but I'm not sure whether I'd call it a battle

Sadly, I only started watching last year, so I don't know anything else other than the ones already mentioned.

[nkoske]

Originally Posted by Nick6

Why try to fight off a driver 90 laps down acting like an idiot?

Watch the end of the second to last lap where Bruni in the 51 is visibly trying to slow Joey down the front straight (trying to get the 71 to catch up). Then you'll know why Joey wanted by.

[gregtummer]

Originally Posted by FstrthnU

Petit Le Mans 2011
Laguna Seca 2011

Mid-Ohio 2011 was crazy, but I'm not sure whether I'd call it a battle

Sadly, I only started watching last year, so I don't know anything else other than the ones already mentioned.

Torrents are your friend.

[MitchZ06]

Originally Posted by gregtummer

Torrents are your friend.

Wouldn't mind watching some 2005-2006 endurance racing and ALMS if you can point me in the right direction

[Ultimo]

Originally Posted by Nick6

Why try to fight off a driver 90 laps down acting like an idiot?

I wasn't aware that Bruni was faster at that point than Hand. I thought he was slower and just making a dick move to hit him and let his team mate take the win.

Turns out I was probably right about the latter...

[arakis]

Hey Bruni was faster, he even passed the BMW a few corrners beffore the incident, then slowed down to make him slow down, then when the BMW passed him he put it to the grass.... I guess its been done before, by Peugeuts, and Audis...but I thoght GTs were made of better stuff.

[The Badger]

Originally Posted by ptclaus98

Joey is a damn legend. I am a fan now.

He's a bloody richard head for saying that .

[arakis]

They'll probably all get warnings, and probations...AF corse for pulling that team BS, and Hand for actualy admiting he would have put someone into the wall

[rich07]

I think its great to see Aston get a podium in GT-E, I wasnt expecting that straight off the bat for them, hopefully it bodes well for the rest of the season.

[The Badger]

Farnbacher for smacking the Lizard before they passed the start/finish line .

Bruni .....

Beretta .....

[The Badger]

Originally Posted by Acid09

I can't see how anybody can blame Joey.

Quite simple ..... for publicly stating his intentions on TV and radio . Like Salo did a few years ago . Leave it unsaid and if it happens , explain it away as an accident and no one would ever know the differance .

Now , people know he is prepared to take someone out if they mess with him , which would leave him liable if he caused injury or death . How that would leave the team I dont know .

Thats not saying others dont do similar , but they dont broadcast the intent .

There is a big differance between spontaneous and premeditated , even in law .

[picchiofan]

Originally Posted by The Badger

Farnbacher for smacking the Lizard before they passed the start/finish line .

Bruni .....

Beretta .....

It's a series with a focus primarily on amatuer drivers, what do you expect?

[The Badger]

Not that bloody amatuer !!!

Farnbacher is no amatuer , and I would expect better from him . Interested in hearing what he has to say about it .

[Victor_RO]

Originally Posted by The Badger

Farnbacher is no amatuer , and I would expect better from him . Interested in hearing what he has to say about it .

He did say something about it, and apparently he said that it was the same kind of circumstances as the horrendous mess-up at the start of the Ricard LMS race last year. One of the DSC hour-by-hour reports mentions that he did actually go to the Lizards garage in order to apologize, which would be absolutely the right thing to do.

[Coopz21 x]

BMW's shocked me i thought after qualifying they wouldnt do much but wow, im still annoyed at the Ferrari's :/

[picchiofan]

Originally Posted by The Badger

Not that bloody amatuer !!!

Farnbacher is no amatuer , and I would expect better from him . Interested in hearing what he has to say about it .

And Bruni is a former F1 driver, doesn't change the rank amateur driving I saw yesterday.

People love to slag on Grand Am as orienting itself towards "gentleman" racers, but the driving skills and level of racecraft they display is light years ahead of the nonsense I've seen in the ALMS/ILMC/WEC the past 2 years or so. I'm not even talking about the bonehead "zero percent" pass attempts and such, just the overall lack of awareness and positioning on the drivers is amazing. The pace and technique of the GTC and PC guys would put them mid pack in your average BMWCCA or NASA club race, having them on track with LMP1 cars, with frankly, questionable drivers in their own right is insane.

As bad as those guys are, the GT-AM class is a sight to behold. I don't think I've ever seen a more dangerous group of clueless jackwagons out there. Seriously, when Tracy Krohn is an example of one of the *better* drivers in that class, you have a fundamental problem.

I'm not sure if it's the evolution of the current GT cars to where visibility is practically nonexistant and everyone relies on a myopic video camera as opposed to mirrors and spatial awareness, or just the state of the current level of driving talent, but it is really amazing to watch the absolute bonehead moves out there in traffic.

[Coopz21 x]

Originally Posted by picchiofan

And Bruni is a former F1 driver, doesn't change the rank amateur driving I saw yesterday.

People love to slag on Grand Am as orienting itself towards "gentleman" racers, but the driving skills and level of racecraft they display is light years ahead of the nonsense I've seen in the ALMS/ILMC/WEC the past 2 years or so. I'm not even talking about the bonehead "zero percent" pass attempts and such, just the overall lack of awareness and positioning on the drivers is amazing. The pace and technique of the GTC and PC guys would put them mid pack in your average BMWCCA or NASA club race, having them on track with LMP1 cars, with frankly, questionable drivers in their own right is insane.

As bad as those guys are, the GT-AM class is a sight to behold. I don't think I've ever seen a more dangerous group of clueless jackwagons out there. Seriously, when Tracy Krohn is an example of one of the *better* drivers in that class, you have a fundamental problem.

I'm not sure if it's the evolution of the current GT cars to where visibility is practically nonexistant and everyone relies on a myopic video camera as opposed to mirrors and spatial awareness, or just the state of the current level of driving talent, but it is really amazing to watch the absolute bonehead moves out there in traffic.

I agree to a certain extent... some drivers in ALMS are just terrible, Beretta..... Bruni... Millner, infact most of the Vette drivers are just silly which is annoying because i love the Vette's...

[The Badger]

Originally Posted by Victor_RO

He did say something about it, and apparently he said that it was the same kind of circumstances as the horrendous mess-up at the start of the Ricard LMS race last year. One of the DSC hour-by-hour reports mentions that he did actually go to the Lizards garage in order to apologize, which would be absolutely the right thing to do.

Right , fair dues to him . I didnt realise it was a screw up from the official side . Appologies to him .