My street circuit collection

[mandretti39]

I have taken 19 of my street circuits I have designed and placed them in GMap-Pedometer. I will now post the first four (in alphabetical order).

First up, Alice Springs:

This track is very narrow, basically only wide enough for motorcycle racing. The track is 3.43 miles long and runs counter clockwise. The track starts on Bloomfield Street. Right after the start, there is a slight kink to the left. About a mile down the road, still on Bloomfield Street, there is a slight right-left s-bend. Shortly thereafter, you reach turn 4, a slight left. After this, some paving would need to be done as Bloomfield Street and Larapinta Drive. Turn 5 is a 90 degree left turn onto Larapinta Drive. Turn 6 is a left turn onto Nicker Crescent. Turns 7 and 8 are a slight left-right s-bend combo. Turn 9 is a right turn onto Pedler Avenue. Right after that, turn 10 is a left onto Gee Street. Shortly after that, turn 10 is a left turn onto Gason Street. Turn 11 is a right onto Newland Street. Turn 12 is a turn onto Milner Road. Quickly after that, turn 13 is a left onto Palmer Street. 15 turns right onto Memorial Avenue. Turn 16 is a left turn onto Carruthers Crescent. Turn 17 is a long right turn. After a bit of a straight, turn 18 is a left onto Crann Street. Turn 19 is a left onto Bradshaw Drive. There is a very slight kink on Bradshaw Drive about halfway down. The final turn, turn 20, is a left onto Bloomfield Street.

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=270170

[mandretti39]

Next is Anchorage, AK.

The track is 3.04 miles long, runs counter clockwise, and the majority of the roads are two lanes wide, but they could be widened. The track starts on Whitney Road, which contains turns 1 and 2, a quick right-left s-bend. Turn 3 is a 90 degree left hander onto North C Street. Turns 4 and 5, both on North C Street, are fast right handers. Turn 6 is a quick right onto West 2nd Avenue. Turn 7, a 90 degree left, leads onto E Street. Turn 8 is a left onto 4th Avenue. There is a long run down to turn 9, a left onto Eagle Street. Turn 10 is a right turn onto 3rd Avenue. After a long straight, you reach the sweeping left turn 11 onto Post Road. 12 and 13 are a set of right-left s-bends that take you from Post Road to Whitney Road. 14 and 15 are similar in shape as turns 1 and 2. Following them is a run to the finish line.

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=270179

[mandretti39]

Thirdly is Belle Isle Park in Detroit, MI.

Basically, this is a redesign of the Champ Car track used from 1999-2001. My track follows the original until turn 4. The original goes right onto Loiter Way, which is turn 4, mine goes left. The track heads through slight left and right kinks which could possibly be taken flat out, thus the corners will not be numbered. This will take you by the zoo. Immediately following the zoo, the track heads trough turn 5, a sweeping right hand corner onto Vista Drive. Turn 6 is a sweeping left hander. Turn 7 is a long right hand corner that leads onto Strand Drive. The track rejoins the original at the old turn 6. Along the run of Strand Drive, there are a series of kinks, which just like the old track, will not be numbered. The new track bypasses the complex adjacent to the casino. The rest of the track follows the original after the complex. The track is 3.22 miles.

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=270184

[mandretti39]

Finally, for tonight is Boston, MA.

The track is 1.39 miles long and runs counter clockwise. It should be wide enough for racing. The track starts on the sweeping Cambridge Street. Turns 1 and 2 are a quick right left chicane which takes the cars from one side of Cambridge Street to the other. This happens at the intersection of Cambridge Street and Temple Street. Turn 3 is a hairpin that takes the drivers from the westbound lanes of Cambridge Street to the eastbound lanes at the intersection with Irving Street. Turn 4 is a right onto Hancock Street. Turn 5 is a left onto Derne Street. This takes you right next to the Massachusetts Capitol Building. Turns 6 and 7 are a quick right and left that takes you from Derne Street onto Bowdoin Street, then onto Ashburton Place. Turn 8 is a right onto Somerset Street. Turn 9 is a right onto Beacon Street. 10 is a left onto Park Street and another up close and personal view of the MCB. Turn 11 is a left onto Tremont Street. Turn 12 is a right onto Bromfield Street. Turn 13 is a left onto Province Street. 14 is a left onto School Street. The final corner, turn 15 leads you back onto Tremont Street. Tremont Street becomes Cambridge Street at the beginning of the long sweeper, which takes you across the finish line.

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=264694

[Yannick]

I like the Boston one best of those 4 because that bow makes it different from the stereotypical US inner city track layout that's so heavy on rectangular corners.

[Yannick]

By the way, I have a question to all of you who know:
Where exactly in Detroit was the downtown Formula 1 racetrack that was used in the 1980s? That one has been amongst my favorites in a race simulation that's now very old and doesn't run anymore.
Thanks for info.
Y.

[jab]

Detroit: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=225891

[mandretti39]

I am going to post the rest of the tracks now. I am getting rid of the detailed descriptions because they take a while to write. You will get the city, length, and direction of the tracks.

East Rutherford, NJ
2.88 miles
clockwise
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=271990

Long Beach, CA
1.47 miles
clockwise
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=264561

Los Alamitos Army Airfield in Long Beach, CA
3.99 miles
counter clockwise
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=272022

Mount Druitt, Australia
4.43 miles
counter clockwise
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=267554

New York City
3.37 miles
clockwise
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=271918

New York City 2
2.86 miles
counter clockwise
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=265225

Parramatta, Australia
3.98 miles
clockwise
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=267862

Philadelphia, PA
2.26 miles
counter clockwise
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=268032

Sacramento, CA
4.32 miles
counter clockwise
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=272030

Sacramento, CA 2
1.34 miles
counter clockwise
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=272011

St. Petersburg, FL
2.36 miles
clockwise
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=272035

St. Petersburg, FL 2
2.6 miles
clockwise
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=264860

Stockholm, Sweden
2.62 miles
counter clockwise
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=272039

Tampa, FL
3.73 miles
counter clockwise
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=264905

Vancouver, BC
1.95 miles
clockwise
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=272050

[V8_TURBO]

You sure like street circuits. Havn't finnished looking at them all yet, but from what I have seen so far, they are all very good.

[mandretti39]

Originally Posted by V8_TURBO

You sure like street circuits. Havn't finnished looking at them all yet, but from what I have seen so far, they are all very good.

I love 'em. All of my permanent courses look like crap. If you can find one you like, let me know.

[Rockmunky]

Stockholm is awesome, mate.
Really fast chicane section, and long straights, i like alot!

[Yannick]

Originally Posted by jab

Detroit: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=225891

Thanks a lot. I didn't know about the parking lots there, and neither did I know that it was so close to the river.

[Purist]

First off, Boston looks nice in plan form, but would be too short and slow in actuality. Take out that Turn 1/2 chicane and lengthen the run to the hairpin by a few blocks. Have what is Turn 4 on the map turn the course south at the intersection where the hairpin is. This will lengthen the run between Turns 5 and 6. Finally, lengthen the run between Turns 9 and 10 and then have it rejoin the original course at Turn 11 on the map.

I don't know what it is, but your Belle Isle course just doesn't look quite right to my eye.

Is your course in East Rutherford, NJ near the Meadowlands. CART ran a very interesting circuit there in the 80s, which had some sweepers and few 90 degree turns.

Your Long Beach street circuit is on the short side, and isn't all that interesting, and probably isn't much if any easier to overtake on than the current circuit is. As for your Long Beach airfield, I'd rather see you run the course down that one runway at the bottom and back up the parallel taxiway, as opposed to the chicane you have there now.

I'm not too keep on your first NYC circuit. That switchback section just doesn't, fit, look right, etc. And I see you borrowed the Gran Turismo 4 street circuit for your second course in NYC; I do like that track.

I do like what you've done with the current rendition of the St. Petersburg course.

Philadelphia looks good especially the esses at that roundabout.

I don't have particular comments about the others because I don't know the areas, and they don't have as much in the way of features that just grab my eye.

[Purist]

I took another look, and I much prefer the Vancouver course that was actually used by CART from 1999 onwards as opposed to your version. That long curved backstretch was great, and the open wheelers would have the tail hung out just a bit going through Turn 5, I believe.

What I would like to see is an attempt at combining the old (1990-97) Vancouver circuit with the newer (1999-200?) course. The hairpin at the end of the old start/finish straight really caught a lot of people out, and so it was very interesting to watch what happened there. The long, curved startfinish stretch on the older track was interesting as well, and really, the track was nice in that is wasn't one of those very rigid gridwork-looking street circuits.

[mandretti39]

Originally Posted by Purist

What I would like to see is an attempt at combining the old (1990-97) Vancouver circuit with the newer (1999-200?) course. The hairpin at the end of the old start/finish straight really caught a lot of people out, and so it was very interesting to watch what happened there. The long, curved startfinish stretch on the older track was interesting as well, and really, the track was nice in that is wasn't one of those very rigid gridwork-looking street circuits.

Your wish is my command...

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=283831

That hairpin you mentioned is no longer there. There is a spot for a hairpin further down at the intersection, but I don't recall the track turning left before the hairpin.

[mandretti39]

More tracks, all from countries that host F1 races. Each city is the country's national capital.

Berlin, Germany
2.02 miles
counterclockwise
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=317682

Canberra, Australia
2.78 miles
counterclockwise
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=316426

Madrid, Spain
2.22 miles
clockwise
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=317743

Manama, Bahrain
3.22 miles
counterclockwise
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=316365

Ottawa, Canada
1.92 miles
clockwise
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=317533

Washington, DC, USA
3.01 miles
clockwise
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=317568

A note about Washington, DC: This may be the first ever street circuit with a crossover.

[mandretti39]

More tracks...

Budapest, Hungary
3.46 miles
clockwise
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=319157

Paris, France
1.67 miles
clockwise
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=319110

Rome, Italy
2.25 miles
clockwise
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=319264

Tokyo, Japan
2.01 miles
clockwise
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=319295

[Purist]

Your Paris circuit looks, to me anyway, to be a modified version of one of the courses from GT4.

You were asking if anyone knew about the layout for the CART circuit in Phoenix, you could take a look and see what you come up with.

While I think about it, you might also take a look at Otaru, Japan to see what potential there is there.

[Flaming_Wuzzle]

Originally Posted by mandretti39

A note about Washington, DC: This may be the first ever street circuit with a crossover.

The people of Bilbao, Spain disagree with that statement.

[jab]

Norisring used to have a crossover too (1948-59), and I'm pretty sure there's another one as well

[mandretti39]

Any thoughts on my other tracks?

[pirenzo]

Well, there's rather a lot of them, it'd take a while just to look at them all let alone post any thoughts on them.

I had a look at a few of them, and the one that I thought was best was Madrid. Berlin was the least interesting and well, Washington would be great, but you'd never get permission to hold a race round there!

[Axeman444]

your parramatta map won't work!!

the corner at top right is too sharp and narrow (i take that corner every night on the way home from work...)

best to cut it off at the mid point of the straight on the right, where the mini clover leaf is (cnr james ruse drive & victoria rd if you have street names...)

otherwise good effort. only wish i could race that legally haha

[mandretti39]

Originally Posted by Purist

You were asking if anyone knew about the layout for the CART circuit in Phoenix, you could take a look and see what you come up with.

Well, here ya go. The track is not actually located in Phoenix, but in the neighboring city of Tempe, which includes Sun Devil Stadium, current home of the NFL's Arizona Cardinals and the University of Arizona.

The track heads north through the parking lot of the stadium running parallel to Packard Drive. Turn 1 is a tight left at the northern end of the parking lot. Pit road rejoins the track right after turn 1. Turn 2 is a quick kink. Turns 3 and 4 are long sweeping corners that lead you out od the parking lot and onto the westbound lanes of East Rio Salado Parkway. The track is very narrow along the parkway but could be widened by removing the center median. Turn 5 and 6 are sweeping corners that could possibly be taken flat out. Turn 7 is a kink to the right. Turn 8 is a long left turn onto South Ash Avenue. Turns 9 and 10 are sweepers. Turn 11 is a 90 degree left turn onto East 5th Street. Turn 12 is a quick right turn, where East 5th Street becomes South Stadium Drive. Turn 13 is another quick right. Turn 14 is a long left back onto East 5th Street. Turn 15 is a moderate right. Turn 16 is a 90 degree left onto Packard Drive. Turns 17 and 18 are a tight left/right chicane that leads you back into the parking lot and towards start/finish. The pit entrance begins at the chicane.

An overview of the track using GMap-Pedometer for easy viewing:
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=337094

An overview of the track including the pit lane using Paint:


What do you guys think?

[pirenzo]

That would be pretty good I think. A good length for a street circuit too.
Certainly there are some places you can overtake, assuming it's wide enough.