[Multi 21] Ricciardo vs Vettel 2014

[Casper]

Originally Posted by Mekola

Some insiders argue Dr Marko is punishing Vettel for a possible move to Ferrari.
Then, Ricciardo is now the privileged driver, in the current situation.

Have you got a link for the source of that? It really surprises me how much rubbish gets around on the internet. No one could take that sort of thing seriously at any level. School must be on holidays or maybe the kindergarten kids are having the day off

[Airhead]

Originally Posted by jedrinck

I don't think there has been a change in the relationship between Marko and Vettel. Vettel does well, Marko praises him, he does not so well, Marko criticizes him. Seems quite reasonable. Of course, some Webber fans in previous seasons thought that was favouritism towards Vettel but it was probably justified much like it is now adequate to say that Ricciardo is making more of the situation than Vettel is.

That's a pretty balanced view. And probably close to the truth.

[Cookie85]

Originally Posted by Airhead

That's a pretty balanced view. And probably close to the truth.

I agree, I don't think it's as much favouritism as it is honesty. When Vettel was winning why wouldn't he be praised? Now his not driving as well so he should expect some criticism. Marko is just saying it how it is IMO

[wnut]

Originally Posted by Cookie85

I agree, I don't think it's as much favouritism as it is honesty. When Vettel was winning why wouldn't he be praised? Now his not driving as well so he should expect some criticism. Marko is just saying it how it is IMO

Go to 6:15 mins here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TJb9ra-7OU

It would seem that Marko and Vettel have a seeringly honest relationship, and Vettel isn't too much of a princess to take the criticism.
Probably one of the reasons he has been successful.

[deeks6]

Originally Posted by wnut

Go to 6:15 mins here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TJb9ra-7OU

It would seem that Marko and Vettel have a seeringly honest relationship, and Vettel isn't too much of a princess to take the criticism.
Probably one of the reasons he has been successful.

totally correct ... the Australian anti-Vettel brigade ignore the fact that he gets along well with Ricciardo and that most(all) of the animosity peviously was caused by Mark. Vettel is the best driver and the best personality and the the most level headed guy in F1

[Biscuits In A Red Bull]

Originally Posted by deeks6

totally correct ... the Australian anti-Vettel brigade ignore the fact that he gets along well with Ricciardo and that most(all) of the animosity peviously was caused by Mark. Vettel is the best driver and the best personality and the the most level headed guy in F1

Vettel has taken the tough times very well for someone who has just won the last 4 WDCs. Fernando Alonso would've moved teams/left F1 and probably caused £££s of collateral damage by now.

[FAS33]

Originally Posted by deeks6

totally correct ... the Australian anti-Vettel brigade ignore the fact that he gets along well with Ricciardo and that most(all) of the animosity peviously was caused by Mark. Vettel is the best driver and the best personality and the the most level headed guy in F1

no way, Daniel Ricciardo is much quicker then Vettel, on the same machinery Daniel would leave Vettel for dust, why? cause he's Aussie, and we are the bestest at everything.

[Paradise City]

Originally Posted by deeks6

totally correct ... the Australian anti-Vettel brigade ignore the fact that he gets along well with Ricciardo and that most(all) of the animosity peviously was caused by Mark. Vettel is the best driver and the best personality and the the most level headed guy in F1

Webber did not cause animosity with Vettel. Vettel's various antics caused the animosity with Webber.

Nothwithstanding today's quali, Vettel is down and out and knows enough to know it's time consolidate and then rebound. No point in Vettel annoying Ricciardo or getting upset with him at this stage.

[Catingaround]

Originally Posted by Paradise City

Webber did not cause animosity with Vettel.

crazy talk

[Biscuits In A Red Bull]

Originally Posted by FAS33

no way, Daniel Ricciardo is much quicker then Vettel, on the same machinery Daniel would leave Vettel for dust, why? cause he's Aussie, and we are the bestest at everything.

I'm not sure that's quite true, although considering you are an Aussie, you are entitled to think that

Why is it that - intentionally or not - Ricciardo's strategy always seems to be better than Vettel's? Is he just better with tyres, or more of a thinking driver? Or is it blatant favouritism

[Moneyseeker]

Originally Posted by Biscuits In A Red Bull

I'm not sure that's quite true, although considering you are an Aussie, you are entitled to think that

Why is it that - intentionally or not - Ricciardo's strategy always seems to be better than Vettel's? Is he just better with tyres, or more of a thinking driver? Or is it blatant favouritism

Horner said yesterday in a post race interview that DR's strategy calls are done by the team and that 'Dan does what he's told' ....

[mikuni]

Originally Posted by Moneyseeker

Horner said yesterday in a post race interview that DR's strategy calls are done by the team and that 'Dan does what he's told' ....

Horner did say that, however I think he was deflecting a poor decision that was made in that case. Dan blamed himself for what happened in qualifying, and altimately feedback on the track conditions must come from the driver.

[FAS33]

correct, it's really a team call, Daniel Ricciardo was going to pit not long after his first pitstop, but the tyres were good so he made the call back to say if he could go longer on the mediums, so he stayed out and lasted a massive 37 laps, not bad for a ''rookie''.

Originally Posted by Biscuits In A Red Bull

I'm not sure that's quite true, although considering you are an Aussie, you are entitled to think that

Why is it that - intentionally or not - Ricciardo's strategy always seems to be better than Vettel's? Is he just better with tyres, or more of a thinking driver? Or is it blatant favouritism

and you're entitled to think that my flag represents my nationality

of course Redbull are favouring someone over their 4 time World Champ lol, have you ever considered that he is the Number 1 driver at Redbull now.

[wnut]

Originally Posted by FAS33

correct, it's really a team call, Daniel Ricciardo was going to pit not long after his first pitstop, but the tyres were good so he made the call back to say if he could go longer on the mediums, so he stayed out and lasted a massive 37 laps, not bad for a ''rookie''.

Just for fun!

Ricciardo a Rookie - for perspective – total GPs

Magnussen 6
Kvyat 9
Ascari 34
Vergne 44
Hawthorn 47
Cevert 48
Grosjean 50
Fangio 51
Ricciardo 55
Perez 62
Rindt 63
Hulkenberg 63
Maldonado 63
Gilles Villeneuve 68
Clark 73
Hunt 93
Stewart 99
Vettel 125
Fittipaldi 149
Senna 162
Lauda 177
Prost 202
Alonso 222
Schumacher 308
Barrichello 326

[FAS33]

Originally Posted by wnut

Just for fun!

Ricciardo a Rookie - for perspective – total GPs

Magnussen 6
Kvyat 9
Ascari 34
Vergne 44
Hawthorn 47
Cevert 48
Grosjean 50
Fangio 51
Ricciardo 55
Perez 62
Rindt 63
Hulkenberg 63
Maldonado 63
Gilles Villeneuve 68
Clark 73
Hunt 93
Stewart 99
Vettel 125
Fittipaldi 149
Senna 162
Lauda 177
Prost 202
Alonso 222
Schumacher 308
Barrichello 326

not bad for a ''rookie'' team-mate hey?

[Smurfer]

It is interesting to see how well Dan seems to be managing his tyres. I thought he went through them too quickly while at torro Rossi which allowed vergne back in the game as the race went on. Maybe the same would apply if vergne were at rbr, who knows.

I just hope he keeps on smiling, even when things don't go his way.

[wnut]

Originally Posted by FAS33

not bad for a ''rookie'' team-mate hey?

Fangio may have been quite good if he had bothered to stay with it!

[FAS33]

Ricciardo out qualifying his more experienced team-mate again.

[Articus]

Does experience really count for anything? Was it that surprising that rookie Hulkenberg was out qualifying Barichello at Williams a few years ago.

I find keeping tally in this particular battle pointless because it's clear Vettel does not like this years Red Bull.

However their is still a point to be made. Being beaten by Ricciardo isn't what's detracting from his greatness. Not being able to get the most out of a car he doesn't like is what's detracting. Many of the champions he gets compared to were able to drive lackluster cars very well.

[FAS33]

what's even more surprising (to some) is that Daniel Ricciardo is now the #1 Driver @ RBR, am loving this team battle so far LOL!

[Tucky]

I wish they kept the old numbering system, purely because I want to hear "not bad for a number two driver" again from another Aussie!

[D.R.T.]

That said when that infamous phrase was coined by M Webber - they were numbered #5 and #6

[davyboy]

Originally Posted by Tucky

I wish they kept the old numbering system, purely because I want to hear "not bad for a number two driver" again from another Aussie!

I think Ricciardo's a bit above that. He carries himself really well in and out of the car and has clearly galvanised the team around him a lot better than Mark did. To be fair he hasn't yet had to deal with an on form Vettel, but when he has to, I think he'll also manage the situation better than Mark did.

[321Go]

What a contrast to the last round. Alonso and Vettel were in a great fight, when the spoilt brat starts to yell and scream like a little child. This round, Alonso in a similar battle with Ricciardo. There is no yelling, no screaming and no whining. Just pure racing. Finger boy should watch and learn how true drivers (with ability) respect each other and the art of racing. How this pathetic excuse for a F1 driver became a 4 time champion is beyond me. He sure did get lucky. Right time at the right place.

Fernando Alonso on his battle with Ricciardo: “He’s driving fantastically and today he was battling very smart – always taking the slipstream of me after I pass him and braking very late, attacking very late and never missing a corner.

“He was very, very smart, very respectful with the rules and it was a great fight.

“I think he’s doing unbelievable; I think he’s seven-three in the first ten races with Sebastian, so it’s something we probably didn’t suspect."

[Kempi]

We know you do not like him but Alonso and Vettel are always screaming at each other ever since Monza 2011, it is not only Vettel. Do you think the same about Alonso then?