Multi 21 Ricciardo vs Vettel 2014 - Page 6

**Aysedasi** · 21 Apr 2014, 13:02 (Ref:3396200)

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Originally Posted by MarkG

My views on Vettel started in 2010, Turkey to be exact.

No, I don't think even I would describe him like that.........

321Go · 21 Apr 2014, 13:24 (Ref:3396207)

For the people saying that Vettel is not happy with his car, here's what he said post China.

Sebastian Vettel: “I don’t think there was a problem with the car. At the moment he just seems to get more out of the car than I do. I’m sure there are a lot of things that I don’t really like at this stage, but in the end we have the same car.

"The gap for sure is too big to be just something small. In terms of set-up I know there is not too much difference, so we need to have a look, and keep working.”

davyboy · 21 Apr 2014, 13:35 (Ref:3396211)

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Originally Posted by OZ_HCR32

If Vettel continues to struggle I think it will be largely motivation related. 4 WDCs so young....given up so much of his youth to be the best.

I think you're right. He seems to have returned this year completely disinterested in the whole thing. He's openly said that he doesn't like these new cars... and with the Renault power plant so far behind the Merc... he's obviously
resigned himself to the fact that he's no chance of winning the WDC [possibly not even winning a race] this year. I wouldn't be surprised if he pulls a 'Niki Lauda' and walks away half way through the season.

321Go · 21 Apr 2014, 13:59 (Ref:3396220)

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Oh my.

Anyone know how to get in contact with Dr Phil??

**Bononi** · 21 Apr 2014, 14:11 (Ref:3396224)

Here's the link for the article about Vettel's problems :

http://adamcooperf1.com/2014/04/21/s...t-really-like/

F1Pete · 21 Apr 2014, 15:41 (Ref:3396252)

If Ricciardo wasn't held up by Vettel, I wonder how much closer he would have been to Alonso?

MarkG · 21 Apr 2014, 16:04 (Ref:3396259)

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Originally Posted by davyboy

I think you're right. He seems to have returned this year completely disinterested in the whole thing. He's openly said that he doesn't like these new cars... and with the Renault power plant so far behind the Merc... he's obviously
resigned himself to the fact that he's no chance of winning the WDC [possibly not even winning a race] this year. I wouldn't be surprised if he pulls a 'Niki Lauda' and walks away half way through the season.

Yes, it's not easy when you can't just rock up and get in the best car. Must be quite tough.

davyboy · 21 Apr 2014, 16:36 (Ref:3396272)

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Originally Posted by MarkG

Yes, it's not easy when you can't just rock up and get in the best car. Must be quite tough.

Nah... a child trying to survive in Syria has it tough... a multi millionaire F1 driver doesn't know the meaning of the word !

MarkG · 21 Apr 2014, 16:45 (Ref:3396278)

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Originally Posted by davyboy

Nah... a child trying to survive in Syria has it tough... a multi millionaire F1 driver doesn't know the meaning of the word !

You do know irony, right?

Catingaround · 21 Apr 2014, 18:23 (Ref:3396317)

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321Go:
For the people saying that Vettel is not happy with his car, here's what he said post China.

Sebastian Vettel: “I don’t think there was a problem with the car. At the moment he just seems to get more out of the car than I do. I’m sure there are a lot of things that I don’t really like at this stage, but in the end we have the same car.

"The gap for sure is too big to be just something small. In terms of set-up I know there is not too much difference, so we need to have a look, and keep working.”

I think it's pretty obvious that Vettel isn't happy with his car, acknowledging that Daniel is able to extract more from it certainly doesn't mean he likes it.

Inigo Montoya · 21 Apr 2014, 18:46 (Ref:3396332)

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Originally Posted by F1Pete

If Ricciardo wasn't held up by Vettel, I wonder how much closer he would have been to Alonso?

Hi F1Pete. I am not sure that would have made any difference. Alonso matched Ricciardo's race pace ( I remember hearing the pit to car transmission from RBR saying this) when he needed to. I think Fernando eased off when it became clear Ricciardo was not going to catch him.

Razzzor · 22 Apr 2014, 02:24 (Ref:3396478)

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Originally Posted by Inigo Montoya

Hi F1Pete. I am not sure that would have made any difference. Alonso matched Ricciardo's race pace ( I remember hearing the pit to car transmission from RBR saying this) when he needed to. I think Fernando eased off when it became clear Ricciardo was not going to catch him.

Maybe 1-2 seconds? Remember Alonso also lost a couple seconds in one lap to Ricciardo trying to pass Vettel. When Dan was past Vettel, Alonso wasn't that much further up the road; it was because he pitted a few laps later that he suddenly dropped 6 secs back again.

Even if Dan caught Alonso, I don't think he had a chance in hell of getting past with the Renault being slow down the straights.

FAS33 · 22 Apr 2014, 03:31 (Ref:3396486)

Daniel Ricciardo would've won the race easily if Vettel didn't hold him back, no doubt about it.

**Aysedasi** · 22 Apr 2014, 08:55 (Ref:3396561)

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Originally Posted by FAS33

Daniel Ricciardo would've won the race easily if Vettel didn't hold him back, no doubt about it.

Nah. Kimi would have done surely - eh Pete?

**gomick** · 22 Apr 2014, 10:43 (Ref:3396608)

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Originally Posted by FAS33

Daniel Ricciardo would've won the race easily if Vettel didn't hold him back, no doubt about it.

I agree

**chunterer** · 22 Apr 2014, 13:22 (Ref:3396702)

Vettel took a while to get on top of the car in 2009 or 2010 (can't recall which) and Webber had the upper hand generally until Vettel did so, so there may well be parallels with what's happened so far this season.

On the other hand Vettel is looking extraordinarily like Webber to Ricciardo's Vettel!!

Very significant couple of races coming up for Vettel's season I feel.

**Bononi** · 22 Apr 2014, 15:09 (Ref:3396752)

Basically we can dismiss Vettel right now. I wouldn't bet against him, but still it's too early to say how this is going to end.

F1Pete · 23 Apr 2014, 01:46 (Ref:3397015)

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Originally Posted by Aysedasi

Nah. Kimi would have done surely - eh Pete?

Absolutely!

davyboy · 23 Apr 2014, 06:43 (Ref:3397066)

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Originally Posted by Bononi

Basically we can dismiss Vettel right now. I wouldn't bet against him, but still it's too early to say how this is going to end.

321Go · 23 Apr 2014, 10:44 (Ref:3397125)

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Originally Posted by Niki Lauda

"He has been very spoiled in the past with many highs and victories, but that performance has gone.

"He has forgotten how to drive another car.

"With the diffuser cars, he had come up with a driving strategy that made him faster than everyone else.

"But now Ricciardo, who has never driven another Red Bull, only knows this one - and he is taking it in his hands and driving it."

From foxsports.com.

Forgotten how to drive?? Surely a four time champion and the "best driver" in the field couldn't possibly forget how to drive.. could he?

Or could it simply be that he isn't that good of a driver - not worthy of being a four time champion in the first place? And is up against a driver who has more natural driving ability than him?

wnut · 23 Apr 2014, 10:51 (Ref:3397131)

Let's wait and see!

davyboy · 23 Apr 2014, 11:02 (Ref:3397137)

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Originally Posted by 321Go

Or could it simply be that he isn't that good of a driver - not worthy of being a four time champion in the first place? And is up against a driver who has more natural driving ability than him?

Well if somebody who 'isn't that good of a driver' can sweep all before them to become a quadruple world champion, then it follows that the 'world championship' is itself a worthless joke. Or could it simply be that Vettel is taking more time to get to grips with these new cars ?

**bella** · 23 Apr 2014, 11:23 (Ref:3397145)

i think "forgotten how to drive" shows a complete lack of understanding of actual driving.

but it's entirely reasonable that it's taking him a little longer to get his head around the troubleshooting process needed to get a car that isn't to his liking to handle in a way he's happy with. it has after all been quite a few years since he's been a long way off and had to wait for the serious issues to be ironed out by renault and red bull themselves.

wnut · 23 Apr 2014, 11:42 (Ref:3397154)

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Originally Posted by bella

shows a complete lack of understanding

Describes Fox perfectly!

TrapezeArtist · 23 Apr 2014, 11:51 (Ref:3397161)

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Originally Posted by bella

i think "forgotten how to drive" shows a complete lack of understanding of actual driving.

Are you going to tell Niki Lauda he doesn't understand driving, or shall I?

I think this is just another example of the over-exaggerated expressions that are a normal part of F1 vocabulary. ("There was absolutely no grip." "No power whatsoever." Etc.) What Lauda was trying to say was that Vettel hit a wonderful sweet spot with the blown-diffuser cars that he was able to exploit better than anyone else. Now that advantage has gone, he is struggling to adapt his style or his car to the new reality.

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