2008 Asian Formula 3... - Page 2

Valker · 18 Feb 2008, 06:23 (Ref:2131540)

"As for the international scrutineer mentioned, this is just a big lie, there is nothing international about the championship, it is organised so the black cars of Team Goddard wins it."

2007 Asia-Pacific
Dillon Battistini, Aran Racing

2006
James Winslow, JA Motorsport

2005
Ananda Mikola, Three Bond Racing

2004
Christian Jones, Christian Jones Motors

2003
Pepon Marave, Kinetic F3

2002
Mark Goddard, Team Goddard

**gomick** · 18 Feb 2008, 07:09 (Ref:2131549)

its a pity this has happened

... so was matt howson's win in race 4 really earned

Valker · 18 Feb 2008, 08:16 (Ref:2131566)

Only 3 cars started in race 4: http://www.formula3.cc/content/view/22706/1/

**gomick** · 18 Feb 2008, 09:53 (Ref:2131618)

what a joke

kerrmanningjarv · 18 Feb 2008, 10:44 (Ref:2131661)

I see "Don Tacos" didn't start race 4

ensign14 · 18 Feb 2008, 11:48 (Ref:2131714)

So you have a championship that even Christian Jones can win, a 3 car entry where the 2 cars entered by the Championship organizers fail to win, and Sunderland's chairman coming 2nd?

bluelite · 18 Feb 2008, 13:29 (Ref:2131795)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Valker

"As for the international scrutineer mentioned, this is just a big lie, there is nothing international about the championship, it is organised so the black cars of Team Goddard wins it."

2007 Asia-Pacific
Dillon Battistini, Aran Racing

2006
James Winslow, JA Motorsport

2005
Ananda Mikola, Three Bond Racing

2004
Christian Jones, Christian Jones Motors

2003
Pepon Marave, Kinetic F3

2002
Mark Goddard, Team Goddard

Not only that ... Vervisch was disqualified for reversing on the grid (this means: penalty against Team Goddard) and Hamad Al Fardan was not punished three times (!!!!) for pushing Vervisch off the track (against Team Goddard). So is this really a point we have to discuss? An organiser can compete himself if he wants, but the battle needs to be fought fair and square. Al Fardan is a bad loser and therefor he starts this attack against Asian F3 and Goddard. It goes even that far that not only Al Fardan himself, but some friend of him starts slamming the championship in some kind of a race review (http://www.formula3.cc/content/view/22706/1/). It looks to me that Al Fardan succeeded in his goal:if not winning the series, than destroy it by all means. Great job Hamad!

kerrmanningjarv · 18 Feb 2008, 13:34 (Ref:2131800)

If Mark Goddard's going to compete in the series, then why does he do so under a fake alias?

Kiwi3 · 18 Feb 2008, 14:15 (Ref:2131835)

I would like to know who has done more for Asian motorsport than Mark Goddard has. Perhaps there are a couple of people here that would like to educate me?

BTW, he has often raced his spare car in order to try and keep numbers up, what he does by 'race' is deliberately start at the back, keep out of the championship contenders way, and drives it into the pits whenever there is a hint of a risk that he could affect the race. Perhaps not the best idea to be doing this, however he has done so with the interests of the series in mind and in complete fairness.

kerrmanningjarv · 18 Feb 2008, 21:08 (Ref:2132098)

But why not just admit it's him? Why race under a false name? I just don't get that.

And, as for keeping the numbers up, the difference between 3 cars and 4 cars, or 7 cars and 8 cars, isn't that much. I don't know why he bothers.

Lam Pak · 19 Feb 2008, 03:44 (Ref:2132267)

the problem is not don tacos. the problem is the championship promotor is the same person of the winner team of the championship. mr Fardan revealed the dark truth of the championship and I hope the championship dies quickly. asia doesnt need to have this kind of empty championships. it affects asia and asia motorsports. Formula v6, formula BMW are formula renault are the way to go in Asia. if a driver wants to sit down in wheel of f3 i think Australia is the place to go.

Kiwi3 · 19 Feb 2008, 08:59 (Ref:2132342)

Lam Pak,

1. To develop racing drivers you need a reasonable racing ladder. Europe and North America have something in between F. BMW and F. Renault V6 level. Are you suggesting Asian motorsport should miss this step and just throw inexperienced F. BMW drivers into Renault V6? If this is your idea then you are accepting that Asian motorsport is inferior.

2. Until last year Asian F3 had more cars than either F. BMW or what Renault V6 has. Drivers from Asian F3 have progressed to A1GP, Renault V6 in Asia and to other series around the world. Therefore it has hardly been an empty championship!

3. Until Al Fardan has complained nobody else has about Mark Goddard being series organiser and also entering a team. Goddard racing has not been unfairly benefitted, as illustrated by the fact that no Goddard racing driver has won the championship. This was pointed out above but you seemed to miss that post...

4. Asian F3 has given drivers a chance to compete at a cost that is half of that in Europe. They have also managed to arrange a Force India F1 test for the series winner (unfortunately due to the late ownership change from Spyker to Force India it was announced too late).

4. Mark Goddard has put his heart and soul into trying to develop Asian F3, and until recently was succeeding. He has done so with a passion for motorsport, for asia, and without making himself rich.

5. The sad thing here is that the Indonesians have pulled out due to personal politics (between themselves) and the Philippe backer (Eddie Pena) has pulled out, meaning the Philippine teams have disappeared instead of going out and finding drivers with budgets as Mark Goddard has. Perhaps these parties should be blamed instead of the guy who has been trying to develop Asian motorsport?

The golden rule of forums is to attack the post and not the poster. It is tempting just to swear at you but instead I hope I have used the facts of the case here for you to think about before your next sweepingly negative post.

Valker · 19 Feb 2008, 10:46 (Ref:2132411)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lam Pak

the problem is not don tacos. the problem is the championship promotor is the same person of the winner team of the championship. mr Fardan revealed the dark truth of the championship and I hope the championship dies quickly.

I don't think he revealed anything but being a bad looser. It has not been a secret that Mark Goddard is not just a promoter but also a team chief and a driver.

I know it's not a good thing that promoter also owns a teams, but Asian F3 isn't the only championship with that kind of situation.

I can't see Team Goddard cheating. On previous years, several other teams have won the championship and this year Al Fardan himself was fighting for the title before his childish withdrawal from the series.

ps. there seem to be yet another calendar change. There's only one meeting left: Rounds 13-18 will take place at Batangas in Mar 26/30

bluelite · 19 Feb 2008, 11:01 (Ref:2132425)

Al Fardan just could not live with the fact that there was one better driver than himself and forgetting that this driver (Vervisch) has a lot more experience and is just so much faster. He could not bear it that at the other end of the world (for the guys in Europe), there is a faster driver than him. In British F3 that would have been normal, but in the Asian F3 Al Fardan thought to be the best.

Vervisch could have gone to another team at the start of the season, but he chose Goddard as it was the only team he knew by name.

The fact that there are not much competitors is not due to the "cheating" of Team Goddard. It is due to Kiwi3's point 5 and the fact that there is just no money left. And that is one of the reasons why the last two rounds are cancelled and replaced by a round in Batangas with 6 races.

Al Fardan just makes use of the small field to tell everyone that Goddard is cheating and all the teams agree on this. But this is just stupid nonsense.

I hope that after all this accusations from Al Fardan, Asian F3 has a future...

Lam Pak · 21 Feb 2008, 03:53 (Ref:2133822)

i see mr godard has plenty of freind in this forum. i like him for what he did but i dont forgive him for what he done now. the big damage of this fight with fardan is killing the f3 in asia. mr godard made a championship in philipines to be number one in asia and got a very big lesson that asia is not philipines. if you are the prmoter you cant run your team in the same series. he did it and he is paying for the mistake. fardan is only a driver. maybe next year he will be again in england racing and left asia f3 in pain.

"Ahmed said he is considering getting together with some of the other drivers to file a complaint with the International Automobile Federation (FIA), and to try and expose the supposed unfair practices within the series" the story is here: http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Story...&IssueID=30334

end of f3 in asia

no chance you can survive with 4 cars in the grid

META4 · 21 Feb 2008, 04:10 (Ref:2133829)

look at Asian Formula Renault FRD and Now maybe PREMA will be both organizer and Enter cars in this championship nobody is hurt about it ...

Seems like for you LAM PAK , Mr Goddard is allowed to organise a championship, enter cars but not win it...

If they have the "best"car and the "best" driver then indeed they are "allowed" to lead and win this championship

Kiwi3 · 21 Feb 2008, 04:28 (Ref:2133833)

Lam Pak, why don't you just reveal why you are so anti-Asian F3?

The driver's name in question is Hamad Al Fardan (not Ahmad Fardan). The article you are providing a link to is from the Gulf Daily News, from Bahrain. Al Fardan (not Fardan) is from Bahrain...I am sure that is an objective article then.

Are Zhuhai, Sentul and Sepang circuits not in Asia? Asian F3 has frequently run at these circuits also...

Good point by META4, FRD do exactly the same thing in your beloved Formula Renault championship.

Lam Pak · 22 Feb 2008, 04:26 (Ref:2134709)

Quote:

Originally Posted by META4

look at Asian Formula Renault FRD and Now maybe PREMA will be both organizer and Enter cars in this championship nobody is hurt about it ...

you should look to afr topic to take the note painfull of frd now.

i remind you prema is no longer racing in asia.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiwi3

Lam Pak, why don't you just reveal why you are so anti-Asian F3?

i am not anti-asian f3. i supported the series since the begin so you cant call me that but i am not crazy to the point of defending a death racing series. now the championship credebility the entries and the media atention in asia gone why should godard keep his championship?

its a damage for asia reputation now.

i remind you afr is not my beloved series. i prefer touring cars to formulas and i prefer f3 to formula renault.

**gomick** · 23 Feb 2008, 22:38 (Ref:2136141)

Points after 12 rounds...

1 Frederic Vervisch - 208
2 Matt Howson - 157
3 Rafael Suzuki - 132
4 Hamad Al Fardan - 126
5 Niall Quinn - 47
6 Arturo Gonzales - 34
7 Don Tacos - 30
8 Paul Ip - 21
9 David Julian - 18
10 Wei L Chen - 6

so did we work out the mystery as to who "don tacos" really is

META4 · 24 Feb 2008, 02:31 (Ref:2136252)

http://www.driverdb.com/racingdriver7236.html

**gomick** · 24 Feb 2008, 02:36 (Ref:2136256)

so he is an englishman is he - still a mystery

META4 · 24 Feb 2008, 05:33 (Ref:2136302)

seems like Mr Goddard looks very similar as Mr Don TACOS

http://www.teamgoddard.com/driverspacific.html

Lam Pak · 26 Feb 2008, 04:46 (Ref:2138111)

F3 asia in zhuhai was refused by the circuit because of the lack of entries

META4 · 3 Mar 2008, 10:38 (Ref:2143118)

http://www.formula3.cc/content/view/22935/1/

one new entry with Aran racing

Lam Pak · 5 Mar 2008, 05:09 (Ref:2144652)

they should have keep their drivers for formula bmw pacific. there is nothing aran racing can do for f3 now.

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