LMS 2011 Discussion - Page 15

gwyllion · 21 Jun 2011, 21:06 (Ref:2903129)

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Originally Posted by courageous

Bxx/xx just refers to the chassis - any old engine could be slotted in (try not to pay to much attention to the xx/xx series number as the base chassis can be adapted- even an LMP1 open top to an LMP2 coupe)

As documented on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lola_Cars#Naming_scheme the Lola cars are designed as follows:

Bxx/10: open LMP1
Bxx/40: open LMP2
Bxx/60: closed LMP1
Bxx/80: closed LMP2

with xx the build year and the last 0 is sometimes replaced with other digit to indicate a different engine.

The Lola Aston Martin was a modified B09/60. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lola-Aston_Martin_B09/60

courageous · 21 Jun 2011, 21:13 (Ref:2903133)

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Originally Posted by courageous

base chassis can be adapted- even an LMP1 open top to an LMP2 coupe)

Actually on that point - would the car get re-numbered?

eizox · 21 Jun 2011, 21:22 (Ref:2903139)

ah so is that where the Dyson's being labelled Bxx/86's come from?

gwyllion · 21 Jun 2011, 21:33 (Ref:2903145)

BTW Guess Racing has spent two days (25 May and 14 June) testing in Spa, mainly focussing on the Cooper tyres. See http://www.facebook.com/media/albums...06373746108148 for some pictures.

Marcel ten Caat · 21 Jun 2011, 23:10 (Ref:2903202)

The Guess Racing Europ car is in fact a former Racing Box Lola...I believe chassis B09/80 HU05.

AGD · 21 Jun 2011, 23:16 (Ref:2903204)

It looks like the LNT Ginetta Radical-IES is off the Imola entry list now. I wonder what happened.

KA · 22 Jun 2011, 08:15 (Ref:2903307)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

Touring Car Racing was rather accomodating towards cars we would consider GTs today during the 80s, of course, with Supras, M3s and RX-7s competing in the European Touring Car Championship and also some national series...

Some of us still consider M3s to be touring cars rather than GTs

....and surely the original E30 was just a 2-door saloon rather than a coupe anyway...
Historically, touring car series always used to accept the homologation of coupes (BMW CSL and 635CSi, Capris, Supra, Starion, XJS, Alfa GTV6...), even if some (RX7 and even 911s in the late 60's) seemed to be stretching a point... the fixation on a touring car having to be a 4-door saloon/5-door hatch is a fairly recent thing.

On the other hand, if you wanted to race a 'proper' GT (Ferrari, 911, Corvette, Aston Martin etc) internationally in the 80's, other than the GT classes in IMSA, and the Group B class in the WSPC/WEC, you were pretty stuck for options- and not much in the way of national GT series either?

As Jag said, there was a big gap between club/national level and the top level sportscar series- there was really only DRM/Supercup ,the short-lived British C2 series and Interserie, and little or nothing in the way of national GT series (British GT for example only dates back to 1993 IIRC)

KA · 22 Jun 2011, 08:22 (Ref:2903315)

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Originally Posted by AGD

It looks like the LNT Ginetta Radical-IES is off the Imola entry list now. I wonder what happened.

DSC mentioned this a couple of days back- suggested that LNT have put any LMP plans on the back burner for the time being with Ginetta production cars (the new G40R) taking priority- The report suggested not to expect the Radical to race in LNT colours at all now.

KA · 22 Jun 2011, 08:31 (Ref:2903321)

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Originally Posted by Stranger

The Guess Racing Europ car is in fact a former Racing Box Lola...I believe chassis B09/80 HU05.

Seem to have been some changes at Guess Racing as well- Wasn't Wolfgang Kaufmann originally expected to be in the Lola. The Imola entry list has Thor-Christian Ebbesvik (IIRC he was supposed to be in the car with Kaufmann at Spa) with Chapman Ducote and Kyle Marcelli. Interesting to see two drivers with ALMS background on board- Any significance in that?

isynge · 22 Jun 2011, 08:48 (Ref:2903331)

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Originally Posted by KA

DSC mentioned this a couple of days back- suggested that LNT have put any LMP plans on the back burner for the time being with Ginetta production cars (the new G40R) taking priority- The report suggested not to expect the Radical to race in LNT colours at all now.

Lawrence Tomlinson on RLM basically indicated that their LM entry was rejected largely in his opinion to it being a very unproven project. I suspect a combination of the issues they had at Sebring and the failure to secure an entry to Le Mans basically put paid to this effort.

In the same interview I was struck that there was no mention whatsoever of running the Radical, and indeed the car wasn't mentioned by name at all - which says to me this is a dead project.

I'd like to think we'll see Ginetta back involved in a prototype at some stage in the none too distant future - but not holding my breath regarding this year.

courageous · 22 Jun 2011, 10:03 (Ref:2903372)

So they pull out of a chance to prove themselves because their unproven package was rejected from the big race?
Sounds like the twisted logic we've come to expect

**joeb** · 22 Jun 2011, 13:43 (Ref:2904257)

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Originally Posted by isynge

I'd like to think we'll see Ginetta back involved in a prototype at some stage in the none too distant future - but not holding my breath regarding this year.

On RLM at LeMans I believe Lawrence was talking about seeing how the Ginetta GT3 does, and then a GTE would possibly be in the cards. So maybe not a proto, but possibly a GT car down the line at Le Mans

KA · 22 Jun 2011, 14:28 (Ref:2904274)

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Originally Posted by isynge

Lawrence Tomlinson on RLM basically indicated that their LM entry was rejected largely in his opinion to it being a very unproven project. I suspect a combination of the issues they had at Sebring and the failure to secure an entry to Le Mans basically put paid to this effort.

In the same interview I was struck that there was no mention whatsoever of running the Radical, and indeed the car wasn't mentioned by name at all - which says to me this is a dead project.

I'd like to think we'll see Ginetta back involved in a prototype at some stage in the none too distant future - but not holding my breath regarding this year.

IIRC when the plan to run the Radical was first announced, didn't Tomlinson say that is was basically an interim project to develop some ideas and parts for a future Ginetta LMP

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Originally Posted by courageous

So they pull out of a chance to prove themselves because their unproven package was rejected from the big race?
Sounds like the twisted logic we've come to expect

I guess if they didn't get a run at LM (hardly surprising given the history of that particular car), then with half the season gone and DSC's suggestion that road car projects are currently taking priority at Ginetta, they presumably feel there's little point in racing the Radical now...

As joeb said, maybe a shift of emphasis to a GTE car before they look at their own LMP again? After all, customer GT cars are what pay the bills for them...

The Badger · 22 Jun 2011, 15:56 (Ref:2904300)

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Originally Posted by AGD

It looks like the LNT Ginetta Radical-IES is off the Imola entry list now. I wonder what happened.

Nothing happened ..... Thats been the norm for that car for the last few years .

Makes you laugh though ..... they applied for a LM entry , wonder why they were refused

That car has done probably the most miles a radical has ever done , in fact if you put all the SR9's together , that car has done more air miles then them all .

Absolute disgrace ..... Im tired of their excuses , and quite frankly in bewildered what the hell Tomlinson is thinking .

Question ..... when was the last time that car actually raced ?

JAG · 22 Jun 2011, 16:03 (Ref:2904302)

The Ginetta link only came about this season, and as said, the company is busy with road/GT projects.

AGD · 22 Jun 2011, 23:06 (Ref:2904516)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

Question ..... when was the last time that car actually raced ?

I believe that car "raced" in a couple of ALMS races last year (not under the Ginetta/LNT team though), but the performance and reliability was quite Astonesque.

Someone said earlier that Nissan North America was backing the IES project. Is that still true?

rich07 · 23 Jun 2011, 07:51 (Ref:2904612)

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Originally Posted by JAG

The Ginetta link only came about this season, and as said, the company is busy with road/GT projects.

Maybe they should concentrate on them then.

KA · 23 Jun 2011, 11:38 (Ref:2904705)

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Originally Posted by AGD

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Someone said earlier that Nissan North America was backing the IES project. Is that still true?

IIRC when the LMS entry list was first released and news broke that the Radical would now be an LNT/Ginetta entry, it was suggested that LNT were now bankrolling the IES engine project

JAG · 23 Jun 2011, 16:53 (Ref:2904812)

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Originally Posted by rich07

Maybe they should concentrate on them then.

Today Autosport say they are producing a V8 GTE.

Audi Racer · 23 Jun 2011, 23:34 (Ref:2904994)

Wow. Did anyone see the peugeot lineup for Imola.

Bourdais-Davidson
Montagny-Sarrazin

That is a flatout group right there.....They really want to beat Audi in the ILMC.

Acid09 · 24 Jun 2011, 01:44 (Ref:2905019)

Flatout would have been Wurz-Davidson... Seabass not so much.

The Badger · 24 Jun 2011, 06:44 (Ref:2905064)

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Originally Posted by JAG

The Ginetta link only came about this season, and as said, the company is busy with road/GT projects.

Well then they should concentrate on that , instead of fooling around with a no-show car .

A driver brings sponsorship , its on the car weather it races or not , bet the driver is impressed . I wouldnt be shining my eyes in their direction if I had sponsorship , God only knows how hard that is to get these days .

Audi Racer · 24 Jun 2011, 06:51 (Ref:2905070)

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Originally Posted by Acid09

Flatout would have been Wurz-Davidson... Seabass not so much.

Wurz?? The one who threw it off the road at indianapolis......Versus Sebastien Bourdais who set a 3.26.298 which was 1.6 seconds faster than the best laps of the other two cars including Wurz's car at Lemans in the race.

Your confusing me here....Why do you choose Wurz.....??

CTD · 24 Jun 2011, 07:45 (Ref:2905089)

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Originally Posted by Audi Racer

Wurz?? The one who threw it off the road at indianapolis......Versus Sebastien Bourdais who set a 3.26.298 which was 1.6 seconds faster than the best laps of the other two cars including Wurz's car at Lemans in the race.

Your confusing me here....Why do you choose Wurz.....??

Seabass, was really slow at Le Mans this year.
However Wurz wouldn't be my choice either.

Audi Racer · 24 Jun 2011, 10:54 (Ref:2905182)

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Originally Posted by CTD

Seabass, was really slow at Le Mans this year.
However Wurz wouldn't be my choice either.

Someone please explain to me what these guys are confused about. Sebastien Bourdais set the fastest race lap of the Peugeot 908's by over a second in an ill handling car. The car was 908 slow(relatively speaking to the Audi). Seabass still wheeled it around to a 3.26.298. 1.7 seconds faster than the next best peugeot. Bourdais did this. Am i missing something?

Are you guys confused. Seabass is Sebastien Bourdais.

If anyone was slow it was Pedro Lamy who only got a total of 2 hours . Pagenaud and Bourdais combined to drive 22 hours of the race.

CTD, Acid09 do tell me how Seabass was slow. On what basis?

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