Does Jean Todt want Kimi? - Page 2

JeremySmith · 19 Apr 2005, 00:44 (Ref:1281716)

German-English team from Todd...Pure spin plain and simple...

senna12 · 19 Apr 2005, 03:27 (Ref:1281773)

Had this question been posed before the season, most would have said that Jean's shopping list would also include Jenson, after all those podiums. But since the new BAR is a bit behind and somewhat unreliable, it seems Jenson's stock has suffered slightly. I suppose you can't overemphasize the importance of a good car...

I also feel that before this season, Jean would have wanted Kimi before Fernando as well. But if Alonso continues to mature and impress, the decision will be much more difficult. How about both of them?

KE30MAN · 19 Apr 2005, 04:17 (Ref:1281781)

The answer is a resounding - perhaps.

WebberForWDC · 19 Apr 2005, 06:51 (Ref:1281824)

well Ferrari seem relatively competant at divise arrogant and legal matters, so I think they will defeat just about everyone unfortunately, just as they have trumped the others by signing with F1 and dumping GPWC. Thus, Ferrari should presumably find a way to obtain the driver line-up of Alonso AND Raikkonen.

Kicking-back · 19 Apr 2005, 07:19 (Ref:1281846)

That assumes those drivers will want to go there, which I'm not sure they will.

Gt_R · 19 Apr 2005, 09:51 (Ref:1281934)

Quote : "Yes - but I still don't think Kimi would want to go to a post-Schumacher, post-Brawn, post-Byrne, post-Todt Ferrari on a downturn when he can stay with McLaren which is on an upswing."

Hmm..interesting KB. Ferrari won the last 6WCC and 5WDCs. They had a blip. They have great infrastructure and succession in place, although looking likely to lose Bryne/Michael/Brawn. And it's quite unlikely Todt would just leave at 2006. Remember that his role is more than just F1 in Ferrari.

Comparatively, Mclaren struggled. Since 2000, they've slipped to a terrible 2004. For the past 3 seasons, they started the championship with cars that struggled with basic problems, and when they finally get the season proper, the championship challenge is over. And they're looking to lose Newey when his contract ends, and despite the best positioned to win the first 3 races, failed to do so. Kimi is frustrated with the constant reliability problems and lack of performance, and recently looks to be losing his peak form too.

So what's to say that Mclaren is on a better ground in the near future than Ferrari? Simply because of a newer factory? Mclaren is showing promise, but i'd hardly dare say Ferrari's on a downswing when Mclaren's on an up. It's just baseless assumptions.

And i'd say Kimi may just indeed find driving for Ferrari a better choice than Mclaren.

N I Tram · 19 Apr 2005, 13:26 (Ref:1282091)

In recent years McLaren have been on a humiliating downswing - they're lucky to have a driver as good as Kimi to partially mask this. Big factories and posh PR facilies mean nothing when you can't build a reliable car in time.

Kicking-back · 19 Apr 2005, 13:29 (Ref:1282095)

McLaren had a poor year in 2004 - but aside from that they've always been in the top 2 or 3.

It's simply that they, like everyone else, have failed to cope with the Schumacher/Bridgestone/Ferrari steamroller.

N I Tram · 19 Apr 2005, 13:58 (Ref:1282123)

They should finish 3rd this year, that's true, but I think in terms of the results they've got relative to what's been spent, they've been worse than Ferrari ever were. These new buildings will have to start paying for themselves in results pretty quickly.

Glen · 19 Apr 2005, 13:58 (Ref:1282124)

If you had to put money on which team would hold together through a longish period, you'd be mad to bet against Ferrari. They have got a lot, lot more than just a few superstars holding a fragile organisation together - already Rory Byrne is taking a back-seat and the current car does not bear his name. The whole thing just would not work if they didn't have the infrastructure and systems in place, as well as the key personel.

It is true to say that McLaren have a very worthy outlook along those lines too - RD has said often that he'd like to think that anyone could leave the company and it would all still work. But - I think McLaren have wanted for design focus in recent years… this is borne-out to a degree by the current problem with the car, which kimi has said has existed for a couple of years. One wouldn't expect such a basic error from Ferrari - tyres aside they undoubtedly have the best car, and that isn't going to change in a hurry.

Don K · 19 Apr 2005, 14:14 (Ref:1282138)

Quote:

Originally Posted by WebberForWDC

well Ferrari seem relatively competant at divise arrogant and legal matters, so I think they will defeat just about everyone unfortunately, just as they have trumped the others by signing with F1 and dumping GPWC. Thus, Ferrari should presumably find a way to obtain the driver line-up of Alonso AND Raikkonen.

If I remember correctly, they already lost Raikonen once (about 4 years ago).

And in what way did they "trump the others" by staying within the series they have been infor over 50 years, and "breaking away" from the series that tries to break away from the current series.
If they would have wanted to "trump the others", they wouldn't have announced this "move" last year (in the announcement which was incorrectly quoted by some media who wanted us to believe that Ferrari wanted to create yet another break-away series).

baclightning · 20 Apr 2005, 05:18 (Ref:1282680)

Does Jean Todt want Kimi?

Not likely, if he's really going with Michelle Yeoh.

312T4 · 20 Apr 2005, 08:32 (Ref:1282753)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kicking-back

Even if he does, Ron won't let him have him.

Kimi will be a Ferrari driver, but this is not a news because as discussed in another forum 3 weeks ago the reds already put him in with an option signed by the driver.
I know this cannot be believed, but I wouldn't write so if I wasn't sure 100%.
They have never (at least lately) thought about Alonso or Button.
All the rumors about these last 2 drivers are let gone around to cover the truth.
Yes, Jean Todt wants Kimi badly.

BootsOntheSide · 20 Apr 2005, 08:40 (Ref:1282765)

Interesting rumour there 312T4, I'll have to bookmark this thread and see if it proves to be correct. What would happen if Mcihael doesn't retire at the end of the seaosn, would Kimi stay with McLaren for another year or would Rubens leave?

312T4 · 20 Apr 2005, 08:48 (Ref:1282772)

Quote:

Originally Posted by BootsOntheSide

Interesting rumour there 312T4, I'll have to bookmark this thread and see if it proves to be correct. What would happen if Mcihael doesn't retire at the end of the seaosn, would Kimi stay with McLaren for another year or would Rubens leave?

Thanks!
You'll see this is what will happen.
MS has an personal option to race or not next year.
RB has not an option, but Ferrari has it on him.
So there will be a seat for kimi to race because (and this few people knew) kimi didn't extend the contract with Mclaren when it was announced JPM would have driven for the team.
He's actually free for 2006.

Gt_R · 20 Apr 2005, 09:40 (Ref:1282819)

And admittedly, with the great stories floated around of how exclusive and well Michael is being treated at Ferrari... with No.1 status... Truth or not, it's going to prove tempting for Kimi. Many drivers have admitted that they'd love to be the star focus of the team...and Kimi knows very well that Michael is going to retire in the very near future. So why not sign for Ferrari, taking a nice pay rise, and having the whole team to yourself? I really think 2006 would be the last year for Michael Schumacher, and if so, Kimi only has to contend one year with Schumacher, so it isn't going to bother him much.

312T4 · 20 Apr 2005, 10:17 (Ref:1282852)

And he can get more from the team being with MS and not fighting against him in the team.
But my feeling is that if MS will be world champion this year he won't race in 2006.

f1_carzy · 21 Apr 2005, 11:02 (Ref:1283742)

Looks like MS is going to stay at Ferrari. Well thats what pitpass.com are reporting?
http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...s_art_id=24157

**chunterer** · 21 Apr 2005, 11:27 (Ref:1283764)

Yeah i've seen some story about it too....

However he also says that should he not carry on, there are four guys that he thinks are the ones who will be in the mix to replace him, or i guess, ultimately he and Rubens:

Kimi Raikkonen
Fernando Alonso
Felipe Massa
Mark Webber...

Inigo Montoya · 21 Apr 2005, 11:38 (Ref:1283769)

Its on gazzetta as well. Its more like Todt is trying to convince Michael to stay...

**chunterer** · 21 Apr 2005, 11:46 (Ref:1283776)

Probably, but MS is the one quoted today as mentioning the other 4 pilots...

chillibowl · 21 Apr 2005, 16:33 (Ref:1283950)

i must say that i really like the speculation in this thread, particularly ideas like NK going to ferrari in order to re-enforce thier ties with new markets which has always been an am with every team.
personally, i believe that MS will stay with ferrari post 2008 just out of loyalty. there has to be considerable pressure not just from ferrari but also from bernie and the banks to secure as many assets as possible to discourage a possible split and MS is one of the biggest assets in F1. keeping him into 2008 will no doubt reduce fears about the stenght of F1 in the future. that being said im sure the other nine will do everything in their power to lock up as much of the new talent in order to strengthen the position of the GPWC and that means ferrari may be left out in the cold.
but what do i know, i still secretly hope that JV will make a true comeback and follow in his fathers footsteps at ferrari

Gabrio · 26 Apr 2005, 09:31 (Ref:1287701)

Quote:

Originally Posted by 312T4

Thanks!
MS has an personal option to race or not next year.
RB has not an option, but Ferrari has it on him.
So there will be a seat for kimi to race because (and this few people knew) kimi didn't extend the contract with Mclaren when it was announced JPM would have driven for the team.
He's actually free for 2006.

Correct. You have won a candy bar!!!

Dani Filth · 26 Apr 2005, 09:55 (Ref:1287717)

i would like Kimi vs Schu . maybe 2006

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