Dyson to Switch to LMP2 with Porsches???

dedalus5150 · 18 Dec 2006, 13:41 (Ref:1793535)

Heard on the Speed Report last night that Robin Miller is reporting that Dyson will field two Porsche Spyder RS Evos in LMP2 next season.

gwyllion · 18 Dec 2006, 13:44 (Ref:1793545)

It is official: http://www.endurance-info.com/article.php?sid=2959

dedalus5150 · 18 Dec 2006, 14:28 (Ref:1793593)

Oui - et Anglais aussi...

LMP2 should shape up to be quite competitive.

**FIRE** · 18 Dec 2006, 14:28 (Ref:1793594)

Penske vs Dyson; Next season it will be clear at which level Dyson operates.

I think Lola isn't happy with this news.

gwyllion · 18 Dec 2006, 14:36 (Ref:1793603)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

I think Lola isn't happy with this news.

They lost Dyson and Acura also seems to perfer the Courage chassis over the Lola one...

Fogelhund · 18 Dec 2006, 15:00 (Ref:1793622)

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Originally Posted by gwyllion

Acura also seems to perfer the Courage chassis over the Lola one...

They do? Source?

**FIRE** · 18 Dec 2006, 15:02 (Ref:1793625)

Why did they else buy Courages?

Fogelhund · 18 Dec 2006, 15:06 (Ref:1793628)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

Why did they else buy Courages?

To learn about chassis building, so that when they build their own in 08', they have more than just one to learn from. How is it you believe they preferred something, without having even tested it?

Comments from their camp would lead one to believe that it is the Lola that they far prefer so far.

gwyllion · 18 Dec 2006, 15:19 (Ref:1793695)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

To learn about chassis building, so that when they build their own in 08', they have more than just one to learn from. How is it you believe they preferred something, without having even tested it?

I did not know it was Acura interest to build an own chassis. I thought they wanted to build a customer engine and not so much a total package like Porsche did.

My mistake. Sorry for the confusion.

MulsanneMike · 18 Dec 2006, 15:29 (Ref:1793704)

An additional reason I've heard regarding the Courage was that, and I'll quote, not that it will make much more sense, "it came apart easier". The real reasons certainly seem to be more in line with having a stable well proven chassis behind the engine developments (Lola) with a much less proven chassis provided by a manufacturer who certainly wouldn't say no to some additional development.

Hammerdown · 18 Dec 2006, 16:50 (Ref:1793768)

Radical SR9, anyone?

paul-collins · 18 Dec 2006, 15:07 (Ref:1793629)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

Why did they else buy Courages?

They also bought at least one Lola - that's what Fernandez is running.

gwyllion · 18 Dec 2006, 15:10 (Ref:1793635)

They are running 2 Courages and only 1 Lola and they plan to further develop the LC75 chassis (responsability of Highcroft).

Perhaps the decision on the preferred chassis will only be made at the end of 2007.

Fogelhund · 18 Dec 2006, 15:16 (Ref:1793641)

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Originally Posted by gwyllion

They are running 2 Courages and only 1 Lola and they plan to further develop the LC75 chassis (responsability of Highcroft).

Perhaps the decision on the preferred chassis will only be made at the end of 2007.

Ummm NO. There will be NO preferred chassis at the end of 07'. They are supposed to build their own. This is about learning. The one word so far that I've heard from their camp describing the Courage's has been... "garbage".

dedalus5150 · 18 Dec 2006, 15:16 (Ref:1793642)

IIRC they chose the Lola for Fernandez to have a stable, proven chassis to be able to focus more on engine development. The Courage is going to be for testing chassis development, as has been mentioned. It doesn't seem to me that they have a preferred chassis - only interim solutions ahead of an upcoming factory chassis.

EDIT: as Fogelhund more eloquently articulated while I was typing

class4v · 18 Dec 2006, 18:10 (Ref:1793836)

Just concerning Acura : Their president told that the choice was made in order to have a known package (Lola) and a development package (Courage) which will be changed in a real Acura...
People who attended the tests say that both chassis are fast and that some more fine tuning is needed to have the ideal integration.

JAG · 18 Dec 2006, 18:44 (Ref:1793860)

How ironic if Dyson are whupped by the Fernandez Lola P2!

dj choc ice · 18 Dec 2006, 18:55 (Ref:1793876)

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Originally Posted by JAG

How ironic if Dyson are whupped by the Fernandez Lola P2!

now that would be very ironic, wonder what the message from lola to dyson would be

MulsanneMike · 18 Dec 2006, 18:58 (Ref:1793881)

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Originally Posted by dj choc ice

now that would be very ironic, wonder what the message from lola to dyson would be

"Here's your ass..."

**Adam43** · 18 Dec 2006, 23:14 (Ref:1794139)

We should perhaps steer clear of the rules discussion as it is going on in many other threads.

It is interesting that Dyson have changed classes. I didn't see coming, but perhaps it shouldn't surprise with their history. They have got their hands on a great car. I'm glad they are one of the first to get a customer car.

When will they get it?

chewymonster · 18 Dec 2006, 23:49 (Ref:1794170)

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Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

We should perhaps steer clear of the rules discussion as it is going on in many other threads.

It is interesting that Dyson have changed classes. I didn't see coming, but perhaps it shouldn't surprise with their history. They have got their hands on a great car. I'm glad they are one of the first to get a customer car.

When will they get it?

One before January 22nd (Sebring Winter test) and the other in February.

chernaudi · 18 Dec 2006, 23:17 (Ref:1794144)

Well I did kinda see this one. Where does Dyson have all their ALMS wins, with the exception of 3, they're all in the LMP2( or LMP675 at the time). They feel that the Lola LMP cars are junk right now, and they want to win races, at least in class.

jhansen · 19 Dec 2006, 00:02 (Ref:1794178)

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Originally Posted by chernaudi

Well I did kinda see this one. Where does Dyson have all their ALMS wins, with the exception of 3, they're all in the LMP2( or LMP675 at the time). They feel that the Lola LMP cars are junk right now, and they want to win races, at least in class.

I don't quite get this statement. They used to run the Riley and Scott in the early days of the ALMS. And LMP675 was a secondary route to overall wins, which is different from P2. They have run for overall wins when they had the 962.

Now with that said, I do recall some people thinking that Dyson could run a RS Spyder when the program was announced. Mainly due to their past connection with Porsche.

JAG · 19 Dec 2006, 19:47 (Ref:1795038)

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Originally Posted by chernaudi

Well I did kinda see this one. Where does Dyson have all their ALMS wins, with the exception of 3, they're all in the LMP2( or LMP675 at the time). They feel that the Lola LMP cars are junk right now, and they want to win races, at least in class.

I wonder if they are junk, or is a link up with Porsche just too good to turn down, especially if Dyson has some insight on their future plans.

Another year developing the Lola followed by a Championship challenge in 2008, or a P2 Championship challenge in '07-'08, Porsche P1 in 2009/10.

jhansen · 19 Dec 2006, 00:14 (Ref:1794189)

One more thought, I can't wait to see the RS Spyder in Dyson racing white and blue. That should be a looker!

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