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Unfortunately these are the SOB's that make up so much of local body govt world wide that controls where and when we can play with our toys
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Do you remember that Top Gear a few years back when they drove a Hyundai Accent which had been fitted with a device for making the car sound different? You just selected the type of engine to be reproduced (V8, straight 6 or whatever) and pressed a control button, and the noise was replicated when you accelerated or changed gear.
Maybe that's what Bernie's got planned. Some of the "Fanboyz" wouldn't even notice. |
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I'm a 75 year old ludite who loves the sound of V12s.
But this seemingly automatic assumption that any change or dimunition of noise wil hurt attendance at F1 races needs a bit of thought. I know a number of people who have attended an F1 GP who will never go back because the sound hurts! The other point is that noise is the major limitation on the sites and format of race tracks. Why continue deliberately maximising the problem when the natural fit for new F1 engines offers both technological relevance and some easing of what many would call the "noise problem?" |
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I love diesel engines, for some things you just can't beat diesel. You may have noticed my Avatar, for example. However, when it comes to motorsport, I want to be able to experience that feeling you get when 8, 10 or 12 tiny pistons are doing their utmost to cause controlled chaos in the most violent manner possible. Motorsport has an emotional side to it, and certain kinds of noise are a part of that. I'm not against the V6 turbos or even diesels from a technical point of view, but are they right for F1? |
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Well the difference for Le Mans is that the Audis (and previously the Peugeots) are the only ones silent as you get a lot of different engine sounds at Le Mans.
But nobody would accept an entire field of silent cars. |
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This is true. I watched some electric bikes race at Silverstone not too long ago. and there was definitely something missing. Fortunately their batteries precluded a lengthy experience of them whirring and buzzing around the track.
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Prost could track test Renault's new V6 in the next two months. He knows a bit about turbo engines does that man.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/102998 Renault would be the first to make their feelings known to all, if the new engines were to be banned. |
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I think we need an important distinction here:
Noise = Something that can be unpleasant and hurtful. Sound = Something that can be beautiful and tuneful. Racing cars should not necessarily be noisy, but they should sound nice... |
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Like "Oldtony" I'm not a young man, and I too find the scream of today's high-revving engines to be intrusive. Whilst watching a GP it starts to grate on me.
It was OK back in the day of DFVs - the higher the revs, the more likely it is to put SOME people off. Nice for a short while, but not 1.5 hours. |
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I really don't understand all the fuss about switching to 1.6 litre turbo V6s. Not many people complain about the boring '80s when Mansell, Senna, Prost, Piquet etc were struggling around with 1.5 litre turbos. And some of those were dullsville straight fours as well. The BMW was a stock block, for goodness sake.
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Having said that, they never should have dropped those lovely V10s...
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Don't forget those 1980's turbo's produced over 1000bhp and thus carried a frisson of danger, not to mention unreliability. And the vapour trail of unburnt fuel that followed them on qualifying laps was almost surreal. The rationale behind these engines is almost completely the opposite.
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should we be surprised considering all the other rule changes we have accepted in the name of entertainment...which is just another way of saying lowest common denominator.
thats what they do and its not like we are going to stop watching so how would they know or why would they care. Quote:
F1 should be relevant or at least perceived that way. the vast majority of people (fans or not) believe that there should be either more environmental regulation or at the least want to perceive that things are moving in that direction. Fuel efficiency is the number one concern for car buyers and every brand associated with F1 highlights their positive contributions to environmental causes. im not sure using the turbo's is pandering to the minority. BE considering not using them is not even pandering to their sponsors so that should be an indication of how far from the plot he has strayed. |
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Why not get rid of all engine regulations, and simply specify a maximum volume of a spec. fuel with which to complete the race distance?
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